GARY2004Z06

GARY2004Z06

Congrats on your pass and may you lower your PB. You may not wish to push your luck if the weather (great DA) is not there. You may become permanently uninvited.

ITS STOCK

I plan to go back only one more time with a ported fast. After that in the middle of the summer I'll be putting in a rsd roll bar so by the time fall gets here I will hopefully see 10.80's cam only and do it legally. As much as I don't want to put a bar in the car it looks like I'll have to.

Mike Campbell

First time I ever went to he drags it was Atco, with my older brother who ran his first new car, a stick 59 Buick (probably the last stick LeSabre ever made, lol) that ran A/stock. I couldn't drive yet, but, been going back there ever since. The last time was last month for a track rental. Had a great time. However, Atco has always been rumored to be a fast track, but, I've always gotten better times at Englishtown. I know the track crew at Atco is very good, but, what I never liked there is the burnout area is so close to the inlet wall and it seems further to the stage area than Englishtown. Maybe it's just my imagination, but, it always made me nervous.

SHOOTER 49

The 63 came standard with 250 hp and three engine options. The L75 /300 HP, the L76/340 HP, and the L84/360 Fuel Injected. I looked through my collection of old car mags and could not find a test on the 300HP but found one on the 360FI which went from zero to 60 in 5.8 and did the 1/4 in 14.5. I also found a test of a 64 coupe with the 327/375 HP which hit 60 in 6.3 and the 1/4 in 14.6.

The 65 396/425 was 6.0 and 14.1.
The 66 427/425 was was 5.7 and 14.0.
The 67 427/435 was 5.5 and 13.8.

This is why I am a skeptic.

hondaamer

Tough to fight those facts, Shooter, but the memory is still pretty good. I was always just a tic and a second slower than my Norton Commando S @ 12.79s. I bought it used. Was it worked? Don't think so, but the times are accurate.

LS1LT1

I think you may be right, but it gives more space for some smokey John Force style burnouts LOL.





That is good info and you make some strong points...but then again I've seen magazine times that showed a car running 13.5s - 13.8s in their tests yet in private hands that very same model car ran 12.8s - 13.1s bone stock.
A good driver and sticky track prep can go A LONG way in extracting the most out of a vehicle.

SHOOTER 49

If anyone is old enough (like me) when Hot Rod' s cover had the 68 Mustang Cobra Jet on the cover with the ''fasted pure stock in history ''etc. and qouted a 13.56 time many of us went out and bought one in 69. Well mine never broke into the 13's and another friend tore up his trying when the tranny let go and still another hit 14.01 and he drove his like he stole it. But 14 flat stock was fast back then and let us not forget the constant tune ups required.

I beat a 68 Vette coupe with a 327/350 by about 5 or 6 car lenghts and my time was 14.25 at 102 mph and that won the finals and a trophy for the C class. The next time I went back to Numedia Raceway in Central PA. I decided to race for cash instead of trophy and was lined up against a 69 GTX with the 440 six pack and was told by others that this car ran in the high 13's which was magic back then for stock .The sky opened up and the rains came right before we got to the tree though.

Having ground up in the era of the muscle cars was wonderful but the reality is they were great to look at and fun to drive and they sure sounded mean, but if stock ,with the exception of the elite, a lot of them were 14.5 to 15.5 cars. Come to think of it, the 64 GTO TURNED THE QUARTER IN 14.8 which is about what a v6 Camry will do today.

Mike Campbell

Loved this quote!! You are exactly correct!! I remember my 68 RR pulling hole shots on everything until I ran a Stage 2 Buick GS with a 455 and he was the only car,in 3 years, that ever stayed with me out of the hole. But, the reality is that those cars, were only as quick as Camrys, Accords and Malibu's are today. Plus, we have AC, stereo's and are a lot safer. When I realize that my 06 LS2 coupe runs all day in the low 12's, on street tires, ..that's not too bad. Plus LS3's, can dust the high 11's... and they ALL get good gas mileage and are comfortable. We've all come a long way baby!!

hondaamer

Just got a '10 coupe to replace my '06. Installed the m2w last week and it sounds sweet. Haven't been to the track in years, but I wonder what it will do. Any tracks around So Fl?

pettvette

Sorry, I had to share... Me at Atco in 1975... The Chevy II had a stock 1970 LT1 with a glide, a 3k stall and 4.88 gears... It ran 12.40's at 108-109 Or about .4 and 10 mph slower than my stock 08 A6....

LS1LT1

That was pretty damn fast back then for a combo like that.
Cool lookin' car too.

FloydSummerOf68

Find a SINGLE article putting the XLR-V in the 12s (most show 13.1 stock) but mine ran 12.6 in the middle of the summer and will knock out 12.4s all day long in the cooler air bone stock to the filters.

Magazines should be taken with a GIGANTIC grain of salt, lol.

pettvette

Thanks!... Before the slicks and 4.88 gears, it ran 13.3's @ 106 That was on street tires, E-60 14's and 4.10 gears... If you ever come across a April 1979 issue of Popular Hot Rodding, Doug Marion did an article about the car, it was in the 10's by then...

ProjectC5

A friend of mine was there that night with his Challenger R/T and told me about your car. At least you made an impression on a "Mopar" guy and I heard about it all the way in Oklahoma!

Good Job!

Turbo6TA

Yup ... back in the "Muscle Car" days, 13 sec. ETs was fast.

I had a bone stock 69 383 Road Runner 4 speed. Rated at 335 HP.

Car ran mid to high 14s if it would ever hook.




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SHOOTER 49

And that was my origional point of being a skeptic to a 63 Vette with a 300 horse breaking into the 13's. If the rare and very limited cars are excluded, the first factory, and that means no Yenko or Baldwin, then the first Vette that was readily available to all 'to break into the 13's was the 67 427/435 and even those were in the high 13's.

dennis50nj

and ranger jamie furman, dr.ron, and many others have proven the mags wrong

LS1LT1

If those guys can run 10.9 - 11.2s in bone stock C6 Z06s when magazine testers have gone only 11.7s - 12.2s in the same car, then I have to believe that it's possible for a stock C2 327 with a good driver at a well prepped and nearly sea level track to chop half a second (or more) off the magazine times of that era as well.
There are magazines that could barely get a stock C6 LS2 into the high 12s yet some us have gotten them down to 12.3s and even a couple of 12.2s. It's not entirely unheard of for someone to chop nearly a full second off of some posted magazine 1/4 mile test results.

Keep in mind that on those skinny old hard compound bias ply tires, having big block power isn't necessarily going to give a huge advantage (if any at all) over a lighter small block car with less torque but MUCH better traction.
Back in the day, the hotter small blocks (say, like the fuel injected 327 or even a '70 LT1) really didn't ET all that much slower than the hottest big blocks when both were on stock tires/suspension. Trap speed was often a different story though.

Is it still possible that hondaamer isn't being entirely truthful about the car's 'bone stock' status or even that he didn't accurately remember his exact ET with the car?
Of course it is.
But it's also possible that he's simply an awesome driver that knows how to extract the most out of his car in a quest for that one exceptional pass.

ITS STOCK

Thank you! I believe I saw your buddies Challenger there. Was it orange?