Upgrade mustang to Vette?
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I dont understand how this is apples to oranges. When I purchased my car brand new in 05 it had a sticker price a little over 50k. The new gt500 cobra has a sticker price of 60k and boast 500 hp and is supercharged. By the logic of both cars being around the same price the mustang having 100 more hp stock and having an upgraded supercharger as this guy did his power level should be higher than mine which in fact it is. My vette just happens not to be a heavy ugly terd. And with 60 or more less rwhp I can still beat his pants off.
#43
Numbers are just numbers - that's what people say about dyno tunes and that's what I say about cars. I don't care what the paper says, it's what actually happens in REAL LIFE that matters. I don't give a crap if on paper I should lose because I'm going to be .5 seconds slower - there are so many things that account for someone being faster than someone else, half a second doesn't mean crap.
Example: put someone in a vette who doesn't know how to shift and pit them against a pro, and the pro will win. Its just as much about the driver as it is about the car.
Example: put someone in a vette who doesn't know how to shift and pit them against a pro, and the pro will win. Its just as much about the driver as it is about the car.
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yes but anyone can get good with a car, its seat time that makes the world of difference.
my friend in a full suspension 03 mustang will out handle an average driving in a 04 z06.
knowing your car and being able to use its full potential isnt easy... modding something you cant use all the way??
im not knocking it, im all for DO IT BECAUSE YOU CAN but... try to master what you have first. =)
my friend in a full suspension 03 mustang will out handle an average driving in a 04 z06.
knowing your car and being able to use its full potential isnt easy... modding something you cant use all the way??
im not knocking it, im all for DO IT BECAUSE YOU CAN but... try to master what you have first. =)
#46
I have to say that I love how my mustang looks. I have definitely personalized it like I wanted it so far just like I want it. The only thing that really makes me want to jump ships is because of the tiny 4.6 lol. The only way I can get decent power is with a turbo/ or s/c and then other parts might break or i would need to upgrade. With the vette, not only does it have a bigger engine and more potential, but it handles much better. If i didn't get multiple stares and people coming up to me in the stang i woudl ahve switched already. But damn i get some many stares and complements in my stang!!!
#47
Le Mans Master
I have to say that I love how my mustang looks. I have definitely personalized it like I wanted it so far just like I want it. The only thing that really makes me want to jump ships is because of the tiny 4.6 lol. The only way I can get decent power is with a turbo/ or s/c and then other parts might break or i would need to upgrade. With the vette, not only does it have a bigger engine and more potential, but it handles much better. If i didn't get multiple stares and people coming up to me in the stang i woudl ahve switched already. But damn i get some many stares and complements in my stang!!!
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#49
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This article is a pretty good comparison of the GT500 and an LS2.
http://www.moddedmustangs.com/2007-s...-corvette.html
The 616 lb difference in the vette and the mustang is huge.
http://www.moddedmustangs.com/2007-s...-corvette.html
The 616 lb difference in the vette and the mustang is huge.
#50
I have to say that I love how my mustang looks. I have definitely personalized it like I wanted it so far just like I want it. The only thing that really makes me want to jump ships is because of the tiny 4.6 lol. The only way I can get decent power is with a turbo/ or s/c and then other parts might break or i would need to upgrade. With the vette, not only does it have a bigger engine and more potential, but it handles much better. If i didn't get multiple stares and people coming up to me in the stang i woudl ahve switched already. But damn i get some many stares and complements in my stang!!!
#51
Safety Car
Sounds like you've got a nice car that you've put a lot of money into. If you're not happy with what you have then you won't be happy with a vette either. When I go to the drags, there are always a lot of super fast mustangs that blow away my stock vette. Add a turbo charger (or two).
Last edited by goatts; 03-21-2009 at 11:04 AM.
#52
Ok, from personal experience -Buy the Vette!!!
I owned a 2005 Mustang GT with all the bolt ons and had 305 at the rear wheels. I was thinking about adding a super charger then I saw the prices dropping on the C6's. I did my homework and compared the C6 LS3 against a 2008 Shelby Cobra. The Cobra had more hp, but weighed a ton more. The Shelby was going to cost $300 less but I decided to get the Vette. My insurance was less and my gas mileage is great.
I've had a HP tune added, and the TB and upper plenum ported. It's around 404 rwhp and 395 torque. Also added a larger AiRaid intake and cut the shroud to get cold air coming into the air filter. Now anything above 40 mph drops air temp coming into the motor.
I can do 0-60 mph in 4.11 seconds and that's at only 75% throttle. Added Z51 sways and again a huge difference in handling.
On gas milage - I drive agressively and get 15.5 to 16.5 mpg with stop light to stoplight. Where I can drive 50-60 mph range with less stoplights I can get 18-19 mpg. Intersate at 70 mph 28+_ mpg.
My 2005 Mustang GT could only get 25 mpg doing 70 mph on the intersate and had 100 less hp.
Buy the Vette you will not be disappointed.
I owned a 2005 Mustang GT with all the bolt ons and had 305 at the rear wheels. I was thinking about adding a super charger then I saw the prices dropping on the C6's. I did my homework and compared the C6 LS3 against a 2008 Shelby Cobra. The Cobra had more hp, but weighed a ton more. The Shelby was going to cost $300 less but I decided to get the Vette. My insurance was less and my gas mileage is great.
I've had a HP tune added, and the TB and upper plenum ported. It's around 404 rwhp and 395 torque. Also added a larger AiRaid intake and cut the shroud to get cold air coming into the air filter. Now anything above 40 mph drops air temp coming into the motor.
I can do 0-60 mph in 4.11 seconds and that's at only 75% throttle. Added Z51 sways and again a huge difference in handling.
On gas milage - I drive agressively and get 15.5 to 16.5 mpg with stop light to stoplight. Where I can drive 50-60 mph range with less stoplights I can get 18-19 mpg. Intersate at 70 mph 28+_ mpg.
My 2005 Mustang GT could only get 25 mpg doing 70 mph on the intersate and had 100 less hp.
Buy the Vette you will not be disappointed.
#53
Forget the specs and drive what you love.
Here is a video of my friend going 10.6 seconds with his six cylinder convertible (twin turbo):
http://s702.photobucket.com/albums/w...urrent=106.flv
My point is simple: Opinions are like %$#holes, and everyone has one. Forget all the hype and drive what you love, because there is always going to be someone faster than you; regardless of make or model
http://s702.photobucket.com/albums/w...urrent=106.flv
My point is simple: Opinions are like %$#holes, and everyone has one. Forget all the hype and drive what you love, because there is always going to be someone faster than you; regardless of make or model
#54
I dont understand how this is apples to oranges. When I purchased my car brand new in 05 it had a sticker price a little over 50k. The new gt500 cobra has a sticker price of 60k and boast 500 hp and is supercharged. By the logic of both cars being around the same price the mustang having 100 more hp stock and having an upgraded supercharger as this guy did his power level should be higher than mine which in fact it is. My vette just happens not to be a heavy ugly terd. And with 60 or more less rwhp I can still beat his pants off.
#55
This article is a pretty good comparison of the GT500 and an LS2.
http://www.moddedmustangs.com/2007-s...-corvette.html
The 616 lb difference in the vette and the mustang is huge.
http://www.moddedmustangs.com/2007-s...-corvette.html
The 616 lb difference in the vette and the mustang is huge.
#56
I had an 04 cobra with some minor mods. the blower sounded great and it pulled HARD. at the time I had a stage IV ported eaton waiting to be installed (couldn't find a tuner) and I met another mustang guy that had recently moved to DC from Houston. he kept talking about just how nasty the vettes were out there. after a couple months of hearing this from a guy with an 03 cobra with about 500whp, I started looking at used C5's.
I picked up a nice EB example from some rich guy up in Jersey. It only made 408rwhp, but with the 4.10 rear it pulled like a raped ape - WAY harder than my Cobra. It felt like a damn slingshot. I have since picked up a C6 that puts 468 at the rear wheels and based on what mods I have left to do, there is quite a bit more power still on the table.
Mustangs are fun cars, but they will never be in the same category as the vette. I'm not bashing, I had 7 of them. they are built and marketed to a different price point and as such lack the refinement/technology/handling of the vette.
I'd recommend picking up a nice c5 z06 with some tasteful mods, you will never look back.
I picked up a nice EB example from some rich guy up in Jersey. It only made 408rwhp, but with the 4.10 rear it pulled like a raped ape - WAY harder than my Cobra. It felt like a damn slingshot. I have since picked up a C6 that puts 468 at the rear wheels and based on what mods I have left to do, there is quite a bit more power still on the table.
Mustangs are fun cars, but they will never be in the same category as the vette. I'm not bashing, I had 7 of them. they are built and marketed to a different price point and as such lack the refinement/technology/handling of the vette.
I'd recommend picking up a nice c5 z06 with some tasteful mods, you will never look back.
#57
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Mustangs are fun cars, but they will never be in the same category as the vette. I'm not bashing, I had 7 of them. they are built and marketed to a different price point and as such lack the refinement/technology/handling of the vette.
I fully agree. My 03 Cobra is putting 627 to the wheels and runs consistently in the mid tens. It's a real white-knuckled ride to say the least, and the car is totally useless on the street without slicks, or at least really wide MT drag radials.
I only have 1400 miles on my C6 Z51 (485RWH), but it feels a lot more stable on the street as compared to the Mustang. I did get rid of the stock run flats, which made a marked improvement. I'm anxious to get a real feel for the car on April 9th at our semi-annual track rental. I have no plans of turning the C6 into a drag car, but I am curious to see what she'll do in the quarter.
Mustangs are fun cars, but they will never be in the same category as the vette. I'm not bashing, I had 7 of them. they are built and marketed to a different price point and as such lack the refinement/technology/handling of the vette.
I fully agree. My 03 Cobra is putting 627 to the wheels and runs consistently in the mid tens. It's a real white-knuckled ride to say the least, and the car is totally useless on the street without slicks, or at least really wide MT drag radials.
I only have 1400 miles on my C6 Z51 (485RWH), but it feels a lot more stable on the street as compared to the Mustang. I did get rid of the stock run flats, which made a marked improvement. I'm anxious to get a real feel for the car on April 9th at our semi-annual track rental. I have no plans of turning the C6 into a drag car, but I am curious to see what she'll do in the quarter.
#58
Melting Slicks
All you guys keep saying they are two different animals, well **** I need to go drive a vette so I can see for myself! Are the shocks pretty good even with aftermarket wheels and tires, lowering? I think I would definitely try to look for a used c6 with all kind of mods already, but it seems like every vette i find is completely stock!