Fantastic to learn the 305 30 19 will fit on the stock rims and that they are able to hold 500 RWHP to the road! 500 RWHP that be harnessed must be a rush to drive!
I see many posts were people make comments such as "second gear is useless" etc etc...it is not the car that is to blame...it is the tire!
Second gear is "useless" only if you REALLY can't drive.
I picked my 600WHP supercharged C6 with 285 35 19 Michelins on the back from the dyno tune in a THUNDESTORM, 50 miles from home. There was standing water everywhere and I had to drive it on US1; a 55MPH highway with traffic lights every 100 yards. By the time I got home I was accelerating the car to 60MPH through the gears with little to no wheelspin. I continue daily driving the car in winter, I drive on wet roads at LEAST twice a week, and will drive it even if it snows, so long as the snow doesn't get too thick.
I can accelerate it very close to the limit of traction in every gear, even 1st, and I make no claims of being an exceptionally good driver.
I think the guys making claims that "x gear is useless" or "I can't even accelerate it in 1st or 2nd" or "It spins violently" are just stomping the throttle like a gorilla and then sitting back in amazement that their car is "so powerful" that it "can't stop spinning the tires".
Like I said: 2nd gear, 600WHP, as long as the tires are warm and the road is reasonably good I can push the throttle all the way to the floor in 2nd and go. It helps to have a passenger too. 3rd gear hooks up 100% of the time unless the ambient temperature drops below 50.
I do look forward to trying those Toyos out, but I still don't think R-Comps are for everyone...
Second gear is "useless" only if you REALLY can't drive.
I picked my 600WHP supercharged C6 with 285 35 19 Michelins on the back from the dyno tune in a THUNDESTORM, 50 miles from home. There was standing water everywhere and I had to drive it on US1; a 55MPH highway with traffic lights every 100 yards. By the time I got home I was accelerating the car to 60MPH through the gears with little to no wheelspin. I continue daily driving the car in winter, I drive on wet roads at LEAST twice a week, and will drive it even if it snows, so long as the snow doesn't get too thick.
I can accelerate it very close to the limit of traction in every gear, even 1st, and I make no claims of being an exceptionally good driver.
I think the guys making claims that "x gear is useless" or "I can't even accelerate it in 1st or 2nd" or "It spins violently" are just stomping the throttle like a gorilla and then sitting back in amazement that their car is "so powerful" that it "can't stop spinning the tires".
Like I said: 2nd gear, 600WHP, as long as the tires are warm and the road is reasonably good I can push the throttle all the way to the floor in 2nd and go. It helps to have a passenger too. 3rd gear hooks up 100% of the time unless the ambient temperature drops below 50.
I do look forward to trying those Toyos out, but I still don't think R-Comps are for everyone...
um, calm down with the sarcasm pal. just asked a question about a tire and yes obviously 2nd gear is useless in sub 40 degree temps on the run flats. I've ran drag radials before on previous cars and the wear life was not to my liking so thus looking for a better choice. Never made claims that the car is "so powerful" I'm just looking for some input on a good tire selection. Any RELEVANT input about tires they are actually running is appreciated, thanks again.
I run these on my car. They have some good bite. The run craps were just a joke! After replacing the stocks I now have tons of traction in 2nd and up. With these warmed up good they will hook in first for the most part. I should be getting about 10k miles out of these before they are done. Cold weather = bad. With it in the 20's I spin in 4th...
I'm running the 295 on stock 19" size.
thanks for the feedback. Thinking the 295/30/19's should work fine. Have you driven the car in the rain?
um, calm down with the sarcasm pal. just asked a question about a tire and yes obviously 2nd gear is useless in sub 40 degree temps on the run flats. I've ran drag radials before on previous cars and the wear life was not to my liking so thus looking for a better choice. Never made claims that the car is "so powerful" I'm just looking for some input on a good tire selection. Any RELEVANT input about tires they are actually running is appreciated, thanks again.
Greg
I think you are a bit aggressive in the response here.
All he is saying is that the inability to floor a car in any gear doesnt make that gear useless. Just dont floor it. I guess my car is useless because I cant floor it at any speed under 100. I seem to get to 100 in about 7 seconds from a dig. Not bad since I can break the tires loose even at 100mph. I cant floor my car at any speed under 100mph and none of those three gears is useless so Like Sam, I make fun of guys who call those gears useless. With the ET streets I can use 50% throttle in 2nd and roll into 3rd but I wouldnt call either gear useless. With a runflat the throttle maxes would be 25% and 50% respectively for 2nd and third. I can go deeper into the pedal for both gears with R-compounds but still not floor it. The result of course is deeper into the pedal is faster with acceleration but still not be able to floor it. Riding that line between traction and spinning in 1st gear is the most fun I've had since the amusement parks in my childhood.
Sams response to the thread saying PS2's is the best tire you can get that is a street tire with any longevity. I have had Nitto 555R2's and now Mickey Thompson ET streets both in 305/35/18 and thats the best you will do for an r-compound on your fender size. On a 40 degree day I can break 4th gear loose so what you say about runflats in the same temps isnt much better with any tire. Being less HP you will have no issue with either but dont think you wont break the tires loose in 2nd with either of our tires even at your power level by stomping it. Power under 2500rpms doesnt vary much even with a supercharger so you will likely break loose any street tire and even a cold r-compound.
Now I will say that consistency is best with less power and the stickiest of tires. I can get waxed pretty bad if I catch it wrong and break loose where as my H/C nitrous car with 555R2's killed FI cars because it was predictable with traction.
If you still dont see the message and only see sarchasm in the info shared here which does address what you asked...good luck with your tire choice.
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I think you are a bit aggressive in the response here.
The inability to floor a car in any gear doesnt make that gear useless. Just dont floor it.
Sams response to the thread using PS2's is the best tire you can get that is a street tire with any longevity. I have had Nitto 555R2's and now Mickey Thompson ET streets both in 305/35/18 and thats the best you will do for an r-compound on your fender size. On a 40 degree day I can break 4th gear loose so what you say about runflats in the same temps isnt much better with any tire. Both of us have 600+rwhp so take it with a grain of salt that you cant do better for a street tire than what he has nor can you do better with an r-compound than what I have and you will still light up 2nd gear. Being less HP you will have no issue with either but dont think you wont break the tires loose in 2nd with either of our tires even at your power level by stomping it. Power under 2500rpms doesnt vary much even with a supercharger so you will likely break loose any street tire and even a colr r-compound.
Higher powered cars will have to go their full existence with the fact that there exists no tire of any compound that will hold 700rwhp in first gear so I disagree with the statement of 'useless' in any context. The ability to floor a car in any gear without spinning the tires is not the test for what is fast and since no tire can hold 700rwhp floored in every gear, fast is a function of the driver. Both runflats and ET streets will break loose on my car even warm in 2nd and 3rd but the acceleration curve isnt the same even though neither tire lets me floor the car in 3 gears.
you're taking the term "useless" way out of context. That's completely untrue that there is no tire that will hold 700rwhp in first gear. Just because you haven't personally done it doesn't mean others haven't. I never asked what's fast and what's not so we are getting completely off topic. I simply asked for opinions on the toyo tire and any better suggestions. That's odd you can't hook up ET streets that are "warm" in 3rd gear...had ET streets on my GN that was probably making a bit more torque than your car and I hooked just fine.
Let's get back on to topic here though, a simple brand, size, and summary helps a lot more than a novel of what kind of car you drive,etc...
you're taking the term "useless" way out of context. That's completely untrue that there is no tire that will hold 700rwhp in first gear. Just because you haven't personally done it doesn't mean others haven't. I never asked what's fast and what's not so we are getting completely off topic. I simply asked for opinions on the toyo tire and any better suggestions. That's odd you can't hook up ET streets that are "warm" in 3rd gear...had ET streets on my GN that was probably making a bit more torque than your car and I hooked just fine.
Let's get back on to topic here though, a simple brand, size, and summary helps a lot more than a novel of what kind of car you drive,etc...
....and again skipped the info that peratins to you.....s/c cars have no more power at 2000rpms and you will break an r-compound loose at the lower end of the rpm band.
Short and sweet....you cant floor a car and expect it to not break loose if its got any level of power.
ET streets on a prepped track will hold but not floored and on the street in 40 degree weather; it will not stick.
You were given the brands and sizes of the tires used at various power levels.
I had 560rwhp and 611 rwtq on my car at sea level and it stuck 2nd in the summer and not in the winter....305/35/18 555r2's. I currently have 704rwhp and never quoted my TQ with the current set-up which includes a nitrous shot. Further I have 4.10 gears on a Z51 which is like 4.60's in the first 3 gears...If you can get ET streets to stick second with 650rwtq and my gears you are the Lord.
Sam sticks second with PS2's in the stock sizes with 600rwhp.
Your question was answered.
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....and again skipped the info that peratins to you.....s/c cars have no more power at 2000rpms and you will break an r-compound loose at the lower end of the rpm band.
Short and sweet....you cant floor a car and expect it to not break loose if its got any level of power.
you're killing me buddy. Short and sweet...you're wrong. No point of going back and forth here, will figure out the tire situation later this week, thanks for those that gave helpful input.
you're killing me buddy. Short and sweet...you're wrong. No point of going back and forth here, will figure out the tire situation later this week, thanks for those that gave helpful input.
you're killing me buddy. Short and sweet...you're wrong. No point of going back and forth here, will figure out the tire situation later this week, thanks for those that gave helpful input.
way to edit... NOT TRYING TO HOOK UP IN SUB 40 DEGREE WEATHER! Yes, et streets will hook on the street, nobody said anything about 40 degree weather trying to hook all I said was I can't hook now in 2nd in these temps, not that I'm trying to. Ideally would like to be able to "floor" 2nd gear on a nice spring day and hook up which I don't feel the runflats will do. As for your setup, irrelevant, you can be making 1000rwhp, it isn't helping me answer my question here. You are talking about 18'' rims and I'm on a 19. Done going back and forth here, I'll give the shop that built the car a call and see what they suggest.
way to edit... NOT TRYING TO HOOK UP IN SUB 40 DEGREE WEATHER! Yes, et streets will hook on the street, nobody said anything about 40 degree weather.
yes you did...
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Originally Posted by njgreg
um, calm down with the sarcasm pal. just asked a question about a tire and yes obviously 2nd gear is useless in sub 40 degree temps on the run flats. Greg
Other than that you were given two tires(brand and size) on opposite ends of the spectrum that hook in warm weather.
305/35/18 ET streets will hook on your car in warm weather not in 40 degree weather. It will not hook on a car with 4.60 gears and 700/650 to the wheels in any weather.
Other than that you were given two tires(brand and size) on opposite ends of the spectrum that hook in warm weather.
305/35/18 ET streets will hook on your car in warm weather not in 40 degree weather. It will not hook on a car with 4.60 gears and 700/650 to the wheels in any weather.
please show me my exact words "I'm trying to hook up 2nd gear in sub 40 degree weather." Stated "2nd gear is useless" and I don't feel 2nd will hook up on these tires in the better/warmer weather either so looking for a better gripping tire. Again I have a 19'' rim so 18'' ET streets will do me no good and I wouldn't be dumb enough to drive those in the rain anyway. Do you ever type a post without some sort of irrelevant information about your own personal car in it? I'll gladly stop replying to this nonsense once you do the same.
thanks for the feedback. Thinking the 295/30/19's should work fine. Have you driven the car in the rain?
I've been caught in the rain a few times. If its a steady down pour I would advise against driving. Any standing water on the road will most likely make you hydroplane over 35/40mph. If the roads are just wet w/o the standing water the tires do pretty good as long as you drive sensible.
You can go back and forth between what is meant by "useless" in 2nd gear all you want but I agree with the statement. 2nd gear is next to useless on my car even with BFG KDW2's. Yes, if you're a good driver you can carefully feather the throttle to maintain grip in 2nd gear with a street (non-R compound) tire but with and R compound you can "mash the pedal" and have second gear stick.
A pair of Toyo R888 305/30/19's will be my next set of rears for sure. Setxws6's video of a 25-175 MPH run with zero tire slip made me a believer.
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You can go back and forth between what is meant by "useless" in 2nd gear all you want but I agree with the statement. 2nd gear is next to useless on my car even with BFG KDW2's. Yes, if you're a good driver you can carefully feather the throttle to maintain grip in 2nd gear with a street (non-R compound) tire but with and R compound you can "mash the pedal" and have second gear stick.
A pair of Toyo R888 305/30/19's will be my next set of rears for sure. Setxws6's video of a 25-175 MPH run with zero tire slip made me a believer.
Same here, which is why I am buying myself a set, however the concept of going trough 3 or more sets of tire a year, and having to slow down to a crawl when it rains heavily is a pretty big compromise I didn't have to make with the PS2s.
BTW KDW2s are junk: 320 threadwear. They grip less than a new set of Eagle F1 Supercar run flats.
BTW2: I hope you don't literally mean you are just getting rear toyos and keeping your KDW2 fronts... Mixing tires is never a good idea; mixing race tires with all seasons is a TERRIBLE idea.
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you're killing me buddy. Short and sweet...you're wrong. No point of going back and forth here, will figure out the tire situation later this week, thanks for those that gave helpful input.
so a flooded saw mill parkway will not be too fun this year!
