Totally disable onstar and tracking devices and black boxes ?
01-13-2008, 12:10 AM
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01-13-2008, 05:58 AM
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01-13-2008, 08:37 AM
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What's really ironic is that these questions are being asked over the internet. You DO have your cookies disabled, don't you?
I'm no expert, but I feel pretty certain that you should be a whole lot more concerned about internet hackers than On-Star and black boxes in your car.
I'm no expert, but I feel pretty certain that you should be a whole lot more concerned about internet hackers than On-Star and black boxes in your car.
01-13-2008, 08:56 AM
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The black box and/or on-star don't bother me in the least. If I'm driving like an azz and something happens, I deserve everything I have coming to me. Conversely If someone else is driving like an azz and crashes into my family you can bet I want the information used to prove what happened. 
01-13-2008, 08:58 AM
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I didn't read the whole thread.. so this may be a repeat.. To disable on-star you just need to disconnect the antenna going to the box. Leave the other wires connected as data passes thru to other devices.. you won't throw any codes this way and you disable onstar..
01-13-2008, 10:34 AM
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The black box and/or on-star don't bother me in the least. If I'm driving like an azz and something happens, I deserve everything I have coming to me. Conversely If someone else is driving like an azz and crashes into my family you can bet I want the information used to prove what happened.
It's nice to see someone with a practical attitude. To me, the issue is fair justice, not getting away with something.
01-13-2008, 11:59 AM
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01-13-2008, 12:07 PM
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The black box and/or on-star don't bother me in the least. If I'm driving like an azz and something happens, I deserve everything I have coming to me. Conversely If someone else is driving like an azz and crashes into my family you can bet I want the information used to prove what happened.
01-13-2008, 12:51 PM
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While being innocent until proven guilty is how it is supposed to be sometimes it doesn't always work out that way. People can assume that you are wrong for just being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Heck, I was accused of causing a big civil disturbance in a restaurant in Utah. I had to get a letter from my commander in Korea saying that I was not near Utah on the day it happened. So I had to prove my innocence. They accused me because a "witness" gave them my name.
01-13-2008, 03:06 PM
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I have wanted to disable the "black box" since a saw a court case involving a college kid borrowing his father's vette w/ permission ending up in accident involving a fatality of another driver. The carnage of the scene was such the investigators concluded excessive speed was involved, subpeonaed the data on the "black box" revealing speeds in excess of 140mph immediately prior the accident. Charges were amended from wreckless driving to murder using the data stating the driver knowing acted in a manner resulting in a fatality. I'm not sure of the state or the final disposition of the case, but this clearly raises the concern of privacy issues vs right to know from the courts side.
Another case, in NC, a woman was charged w/ murder in a DUI case because she had a previous conviction. The state made the case that she knowingly operated a vehicle under the influence and considered it premeditated. That said, she was convicted of murder, & the case was made for premeditated murder, which in NC carries the death penality.
Someone may make the leap if you are knowingly operating a vehicle in such a manner that may result in fatality you could face the death penality depending on the state the offense occurs.
I'm not an attorney, so if their are attorneys on the forum, & forgive me for my lack proper legalise, but please chime in. I live in Va Beach which borders, NC, so I very clearly remeber the case of the DUI, but if she was convicted of murder because she knowingly operated avehicle in an unsafe manner, would that precedent easily apply to drivers operating vehicles at excessive speeds?
Another case, in NC, a woman was charged w/ murder in a DUI case because she had a previous conviction. The state made the case that she knowingly operated a vehicle under the influence and considered it premeditated. That said, she was convicted of murder, & the case was made for premeditated murder, which in NC carries the death penality.
Someone may make the leap if you are knowingly operating a vehicle in such a manner that may result in fatality you could face the death penality depending on the state the offense occurs.
I'm not an attorney, so if their are attorneys on the forum, & forgive me for my lack proper legalise, but please chime in. I live in Va Beach which borders, NC, so I very clearly remeber the case of the DUI, but if she was convicted of murder because she knowingly operated avehicle in an unsafe manner, would that precedent easily apply to drivers operating vehicles at excessive speeds?
01-13-2008, 03:33 PM
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My wife's best friend (and mother of 2 little ones) was killed by a drunk driver going the wrong way on an interstate freeway. It wasn't his first time.
01-13-2008, 03:44 PM
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In one case here in Oregon last winter. A senior citizen had lost control of his 2004 suburban and went off the road down into a ravine. His air bag went off so OnStar received the air bag detonation and notified the local PD and EMT services. They did this even though the owner had not renewed his OnStar subscription. Because he was in a very remote mountainous area in the dead of winter, OnStar saved a life that snowy evening.
01-14-2008, 03:21 AM
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I can see the good features of onstar but the abuse possibilites are always there. I use a cell phone but sprint cant shut my car down with a flick of a switch. I have a computer but yahoo cant monitor my speeds and see if I am racing my car. I am on camera walking around the city but the cameras cant monitor my car 24/7 or keep info on me. It is a concern for me but I can see where it isnt for some.
My car is MY CAR and I paid for it. I should have the ability to decide if I want to disable the onstar system. If another owner wants it, great, pay the service and do your thing but I dont think people should judge or flame others who do not want it or have different views of it.
My car is MY CAR and I paid for it. I should have the ability to decide if I want to disable the onstar system. If another owner wants it, great, pay the service and do your thing but I dont think people should judge or flame others who do not want it or have different views of it.
01-14-2008, 03:33 AM
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and I think the reason that most people didnt see it from that point of view is that most people see themselves as the bad guy and not the victim due to a guilty consc.
01-14-2008, 10:17 AM
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I can see the good features of onstar but the abuse possibilites are always there. I use a cell phone but sprint cant shut my car down with a flick of a switch. I have a computer but yahoo cant monitor my speeds and see if I am racing my car. I am on camera walking around the city but the cameras cant monitor my car 24/7 or keep info on me. It is a concern for me but I can see where it isnt for some.
My car is MY CAR and I paid for it. I should have the ability to decide if I want to disable the onstar system. If another owner wants it, great, pay the service and do your thing but I dont think people should judge or flame others who do not want it or have different views of it.
My car is MY CAR and I paid for it. I should have the ability to decide if I want to disable the onstar system. If another owner wants it, great, pay the service and do your thing but I dont think people should judge or flame others who do not want it or have different views of it.
01-14-2008, 10:57 AM
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01-14-2008, 01:03 PM
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I can see the good features of onstar but the abuse possibilites are always there. I use a cell phone but sprint cant shut my car down with a flick of a switch. I have a computer but yahoo cant monitor my speeds and see if I am racing my car. I am on camera walking around the city but the cameras cant monitor my car 24/7 or keep info on me. It is a concern for me but I can see where it isnt for some.
My car is MY CAR and I paid for it. I should have the ability to decide if I want to disable the onstar system. If another owner wants it, great, pay the service and do your thing but I dont think people should judge or flame others who do not want it or have different views of it.
My car is MY CAR and I paid for it. I should have the ability to decide if I want to disable the onstar system. If another owner wants it, great, pay the service and do your thing but I dont think people should judge or flame others who do not want it or have different views of it.
WELL said!
01-14-2008, 02:01 PM
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Not true. You also need to unplug the J1, J2, J3 and antenna connectors in the rear trunk area where the onstar module is located to fully disable onstar.
You can also disable that "black box" in the console area behind the ashtray, but you then lose the use of your air bags. Which to some may not be a bad trade off
You can also disable that "black box" in the console area behind the ashtray, but you then lose the use of your air bags. Which to some may not be a bad trade off
Last edited by siffert; 01-14-2008 at 02:07 PM.