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08-30-2006, 08:20 PM
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Supercharge or not? I think I speak for most everyone out there with an F/I setup.... you definitely won't regret it... Procharger, Maggie, or TT.
As to Maggie vs Procharger. It's well documented the differences in these setups. Personally I love the low-end torque. Some may not put stock in torque, but that's what gets the car out of the hole and on it's way. As for spinning the tires, well it certainly does that. You could always seek to cure that with stickier tires - at your own peril. It would be one BEASTLY machine if it was hooking the tires down low.
On the subject of taking down a Z06. Keep in mind that peak numbers don't tell the whole story.
I did my best eyeballing at several different posted DYNO's to compare HP and TQ side-by-side. I couldn't find a Procharger dyno without any other mods (LOL), so this one represented Procharger with headers. The rest are as advertised. Hope this helps.
As to Maggie vs Procharger. It's well documented the differences in these setups. Personally I love the low-end torque. Some may not put stock in torque, but that's what gets the car out of the hole and on it's way. As for spinning the tires, well it certainly does that. You could always seek to cure that with stickier tires - at your own peril. It would be one BEASTLY machine if it was hooking the tires down low.
On the subject of taking down a Z06. Keep in mind that peak numbers don't tell the whole story.
I did my best eyeballing at several different posted DYNO's to compare HP and TQ side-by-side. I couldn't find a Procharger dyno without any other mods (LOL), so this one represented Procharger with headers. The rest are as advertised. Hope this helps.
08-30-2006, 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Sales@HPE
Obviously what everybody knows about Maggie vs. Procharger is true, and not up for debate. A Magnacharger is good for someone who plans on staying with "bolt ons" because they'll make good instant power/torque off the line since they're designed to have low rpm efficiency. The Procharger is pretty much the opposite....
So you just need to decide what your plans are for the future of your car. If you ever plan on upgrading to bigger cam, ported heads, or a forged stroker motor, I would seriously consider the Procharger because ultimately it will make the most power and stay efficient. A Magnacharger will have a harder time keeping up with the more things you do internally to your engine.
Prochargers on street cars still work great no matter what anybody try's to say. I just did a C5 yesterday with American racing headers, LS6 cam, and a D1SC that made 546 through an automatic transmission unlocked. The customer was very happy and loves the way it drives. Then the other day we did a C6 with a C cam, American racing headers, and 5# pulley that put down 580 through the A6.
So if you're looking for fun, a Procharger is still going to be every bit as fun as a Maggie imo. The only difference is that with a Maggie will give you a little more low end punch. So while you are spinning your tires off the line from all that low end power, I'll be puting car lengths on you with my Procharger that doesn't come on until a little higher RPM
Tire frier's are fun I guess, but I like winning races more. hehe
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So you just need to decide what your plans are for the future of your car. If you ever plan on upgrading to bigger cam, ported heads, or a forged stroker motor, I would seriously consider the Procharger because ultimately it will make the most power and stay efficient. A Magnacharger will have a harder time keeping up with the more things you do internally to your engine.
Prochargers on street cars still work great no matter what anybody try's to say. I just did a C5 yesterday with American racing headers, LS6 cam, and a D1SC that made 546 through an automatic transmission unlocked. The customer was very happy and loves the way it drives. Then the other day we did a C6 with a C cam, American racing headers, and 5# pulley that put down 580 through the A6.
So if you're looking for fun, a Procharger is still going to be every bit as fun as a Maggie imo. The only difference is that with a Maggie will give you a little more low end punch. So while you are spinning your tires off the line from all that low end power, I'll be puting car lengths on you with my Procharger that doesn't come on until a little higher RPM
Tire frier's are fun I guess, but I like winning races more. hehe
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08-31-2006, 12:05 AM
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Originally Posted by 30YR W8T
Turbo anyone? how does it compare? Not the twin 1000 hp type, but a single turbo system. Who makes them and what are the stats and price?
I don't know of any mass-produced single-turbo kits for the C6... I would assume that is because to make a single turbo capable of making the power/ power band equal to that of a twin setup would be: A) very large, and B) have more lag. A large single turbo would undoubtedly make more power, but it would be uber-laggy and boost would probably come on so violent that it wouldn't be as practical on the street...
08-31-2006, 03:18 AM
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Originally Posted by schilitj
Here is my set-up:
Procharger D1SC w/60# injectors
AFR 225 Heads
Cam 224 230 581/592 114 LSA
4.75" Pulley
Corsa Sports
Dynatech Supermaxx Headers
Callaway Sport Shifter
160 Degree Thermostat
Tuned
It is my everyday ride. Now, here's my dyno chart, notice where the power curve starts. I have friends with maggies and others with Prochargers. We are all happy campers
BTW, check out the numbers
Procharger D1SC w/60# injectors
AFR 225 Heads
Cam 224 230 581/592 114 LSA
4.75" Pulley
Corsa Sports
Dynatech Supermaxx Headers
Callaway Sport Shifter
160 Degree Thermostat
Tuned
It is my everyday ride. Now, here's my dyno chart, notice where the power curve starts. I have friends with maggies and others with Prochargers. We are all happy campers
BTW, check out the numbers
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08-31-2006, 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Sales@HPE
I'm sure you realize this, but your car is lean spiking real bad up top, which is the reason the power goes up dramatically all at once... You could blow up your motor if you're not careful. Might want to get some more fuel in that thing above 6000 rpm...
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08-31-2006, 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by turbo_tom
I don't know of any mass-produced single-turbo kits for the C6... I would assume that is because to make a single turbo capable of making the power/ power band equal to that of a twin setup would be: A) very large, and B) have more lag. A large single turbo would undoubtedly make more power, but it would be uber-laggy and boost would probably come on so violent that it wouldn't be as practical on the street...
08-31-2006, 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by 30YR W8T
Good point and thanks for the comment. I do have another question for you if you don't mind. What if a person were only looking for 100 hp of so, would there still be the issues you spoke about? I am asking because I have watched the videos on the twin system and there appears to be so much power that the car has a difficult time planting especially when the boost hits. If you could get a system that provided a reasonable punch starting at about 3k and would peak somewhere in the 5k range it would seem to be a more managable curve. My concern about the roots style superchargers is the fact the boost is on almost from idle so I would be hitting my suspect rear with more torque than what is already hitting it. I am not real sure about the centrifugal type in regards to when the boost really starts to come on. I have a 2005 C6 and as I am sure you know there have been problems. All that power won't be any fun if all I do is break something. So I was just thinking the car has good torque now from idle, but a little push while in motion would be great.
A single turbo on a 6-8 cylinder car would be inefficient for what you are looking for, and are mainly used for drag racing and big HP numbers... Think about every factory turbocharged production car; the 4 cyl cars (VW's, Subaru’s, Mitsubishis, Mazda’s) have a single, small to medium sized turbo to provide good mid range power with minimal lag. 6 cyl and 8 cyl (Porsche, Audi, Toyota) use two turbos to achieve the same outcome.
For what you are looking for, I believe a centrifugal supercharger, or even the APS twin turbo kit set at lower boost will get you what you are looking for: 500 whp/500 wtq with decent tires is very street able.
09-01-2006, 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Z06 Steve
when r u taking the Calloway maggie car to LVD again???
Red paddle shift convertible turned 11.55s /122 mph.
Manual trans. Callaway SuperCharged Corvettes are quicker by over 1/2 sec., mainly due to differences in final drive ratio and driveline losses.
09-02-2006, 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by SSJCreeper
Supercharge or not? I think I speak for most everyone out there with an F/I setup.... you definitely won't regret it... Procharger, Maggie, or TT.
As to Maggie vs Procharger. It's well documented the differences in these setups. Personally I love the low-end torque. Some may not put stock in torque, but that's what gets the car out of the hole and on it's way. As for spinning the tires, well it certainly does that. You could always seek to cure that with stickier tires - at your own peril. It would be one BEASTLY machine if it was hooking the tires down low.
On the subject of taking down a Z06. Keep in mind that peak numbers don't tell the whole story.
I did my best eyeballing at several different posted DYNO's to compare HP and TQ side-by-side. I couldn't find a Procharger dyno without any other mods (LOL), so this one represented Procharger with headers. The rest are as advertised. Hope this helps.
As to Maggie vs Procharger. It's well documented the differences in these setups. Personally I love the low-end torque. Some may not put stock in torque, but that's what gets the car out of the hole and on it's way. As for spinning the tires, well it certainly does that. You could always seek to cure that with stickier tires - at your own peril. It would be one BEASTLY machine if it was hooking the tires down low.
On the subject of taking down a Z06. Keep in mind that peak numbers don't tell the whole story.
I did my best eyeballing at several different posted DYNO's to compare HP and TQ side-by-side. I couldn't find a Procharger dyno without any other mods (LOL), so this one represented Procharger with headers. The rest are as advertised. Hope this helps.
Excellent post. Very, very nice.
That does it for me. MAGNACHARGER.
Thank you all very much.
09-02-2006, 09:15 AM
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I did a procharger on my C6 Z51 and I love it. I added Kooks long tubes and Corsa Sport on the back end. I also added a Kenny Bell fuel boost (a must) and put zo6 tires and wheels on the car (more rubber to the ground). The great thing is the car needs no hood mods. I drive the car every day and race it on the autocross circut on the weekend. I have never had an overheating problem. I have sat is traffic in 90deg weather. No problems. The car runs like a dream and hauls a** Over 500 RWHP.
09-02-2006, 10:22 AM
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I'm also giving serious consideration to a supercharger, changing the hood is out of the question for me, so I would go Procharger. I'm hung up on how its going to decrease the life of the car. Its my first vette and I want to keep it for a long time. I also dont want something thats going to break down all the time, or prevent me from having a dealer that can service the car. HOw do dealerships generally react if a car comes in with a procharger? How long does the drivetrain hold up? Reliability is a serious must for me because the Vette is a toy for me, but I do drive it to work and back in the warm weather. I like to "get on it" occasionally on the highway (legal speeds of course
), and do some nice 0-60 runs. Im not into redline clutch drops, but I enjoy torque. What do you guys think, should I bite the bullet?? Does the car realy feel a lot different with a Procharger?? Sorry to hijak the thread, but figured my questions were related and might help others.
Thanks
), and do some nice 0-60 runs. Im not into redline clutch drops, but I enjoy torque. What do you guys think, should I bite the bullet?? Does the car realy feel a lot different with a Procharger?? Sorry to hijak the thread, but figured my questions were related and might help others.Thanks
09-02-2006, 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by 06.Z51.MontRed.Vert
I'm also giving serious consideration to a supercharger, changing the hood is out of the question for me, so I would go Procharger. I'm hung up on how its going to decrease the life of the car. Its my first vette and I want to keep it for a long time. I also dont want something thats going to break down all the time, or prevent me from having a dealer that can service the car. HOw do dealerships generally react if a car comes in with a procharger? How long does the drivetrain hold up? Reliability is a serious must for me because the Vette is a toy for me, but I do drive it to work and back in the warm weather. I like to "get on it" occasionally on the highway (legal speeds of course ), and do some nice 0-60 runs. Im not into redline clutch drops, but I enjoy torque. What do you guys think, should I bite the bullet?? Does the car realy feel a lot different with a Procharger?? Sorry to hijak the thread, but figured my questions were related and might help others.
Thanks
), and do some nice 0-60 runs. Im not into redline clutch drops, but I enjoy torque. What do you guys think, should I bite the bullet?? Does the car realy feel a lot different with a Procharger?? Sorry to hijak the thread, but figured my questions were related and might help others.Thanks
As for the longevity of the car or keeping it for a long time, don't worry, the Procharger isn't going make your car require a burial ceremony, it might burn up the motor up if the tune up is way off, but nothing that can't be fixed. In fact, if it's done right the first time, you might not ever get to that point. A good tune will go a long way in motor longevity.
From what I've seen, cars we build in house leave and almost never come back with problems. That's because we do LS1's, LS2's, LS6's, and LS7's every day, so we know what it takes to do it right. It's the do it yourself cars, and the cars built by "my buddies a mechanic", that seem to carry all the problems. So be very picky about who you have do the work. Make sure it's not the first time they've put a Procharger on a Corvette. In fact, make sure it's not the first time they've worked on a Corvette. You do not want, "that guy", doing your work.
And I'm speaking statistically here, so I don't mean to offend. I know there are some good mechanics out there who haven't worked on a lot of LSx's, who can do work to them without messing them up. But I see this stuff every day, so you'd be suprised what some people tell me about the guys who did the work on their car. I have to ask because they come to us to fix all their problems. I'll take a picture of one that's at my shop right now. It will better define why I have the opinion I do about shadetree mechanics.
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09-02-2006, 01:18 PM
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THanks Chuck for the info. Im looking forward to see those pictures of what can go wrong on a bad install. Thanks
09-03-2006, 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by 06.Z51.MontRed.Vert
I'm also giving serious consideration to a supercharger, changing the hood is out of the question for me, so I would go Procharger. I'm hung up on how its going to decrease the life of the car. Its my first vette and I want to keep it for a long time. I also dont want something thats going to break down all the time, or prevent me from having a dealer that can service the car. HOw do dealerships generally react if a car comes in with a procharger? How long does the drivetrain hold up? Reliability is a serious must for me because the Vette is a toy for me, but I do drive it to work and back in the warm weather. I like to "get on it" occasionally on the highway (legal speeds of course ), and do some nice 0-60 runs. Im not into redline clutch drops, but I enjoy torque. What do you guys think, should I bite the bullet?? Does the car realy feel a lot different with a Procharger?? Sorry to hijak the thread, but figured my questions were related and might help others.
Thanks
), and do some nice 0-60 runs. Im not into redline clutch drops, but I enjoy torque. What do you guys think, should I bite the bullet?? Does the car realy feel a lot different with a Procharger?? Sorry to hijak the thread, but figured my questions were related and might help others.Thanks
09-04-2006, 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by 06.Z51.MontRed.Vert
THanks Chuck for the info. Im looking forward to see those pictures of what can go wrong on a bad install. Thanks
Words can not describe the thoughts that come to mind when I see things like this... Or maybe I should rephrase that.. The things that come to my mind would probably get me banned from this board.
So, I'm not going to publicize my thoughts.
I'm just going to let you see, and you can decide for yourself why certain people shouldn't be allowed to work on your car.... Or even LOOK at it for that matter. lol
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