Kingman99

Hi

What is the difference between a Cow Booster tune and other tunes.

My C5 was tuned by ECS in Cream Ridge and cannot believe a better one exists, now when i pick up my C6 why should i go elsewhere?

Alan

Redvette_22

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Kingman99

I cannot believe how many people read this thread and only one person stepped forward!

Alan

jyounger74

Alan you answered your own question!!! If you are happy with your tune with ECS on your C5 what makes you think that the tune on your C6 would be less? I have met the guys from ECS Matt and Chris are stand up guys who have been doing this for many years. They know these cars inside and out. If i were you stick with WHAT YOU KNOW

Kingman99

Hi

I agree with you but i still would like to know the difference if any. With what i am reading here there seems to be an unique difference.

Is this just a street tune or is it a street tune and something extra?

Thanks

jyounger74

I will try to answer your question without offending the tuner in question. I have been around peformance / exotic cars all my life. I have owned some of the classic muscle cars and the newest muscle cars. No one that i have spoken to has any different new secrets it just the facts. As a matter of fact unless someone has written there own code for software which i do not think is the case here they are all the same. I am positive HP tuners and even diablo sport have the capability of tweaking the so called throttle response. So if you are happy with ECS then stay, if you really think another tuner will have a magic bullet to make your car any more responsive then i say jump into the water but make sure you have your life vest on.

Kingman99

Hi

I was not trying to rate any tuner just trying to find out if anything new
came onto the scene since i last tuned my C5 over 7 yrs ago.

Thanks

Alan

Dano523

The relationship between the throttle pedal and the Tb valve is not linear on a C6, Meaning that if you push the pedal 1/4 of the way down, the TB valve is not going to open up 1/4 of the way.

GM programed the pedal this way so the car is slow traffic/wet condition drivable and to gain MPG fuel economy (pedal less sensitive for the first half of the pedal push). When you start to get 1/2 way down or more, then the TB valve becomes more linear instead.

The cow booster remaps the pedal to TB programing so the TB valve opens up more in the initial part of the pedal push (still not completely linear between the two, since this would make the car almost un-drivable in less than perfect traction conditions).

Kingman99

[QUOTE=Dano523;1587617705]The relationship between the throttle pedal and the Tb valve is not linear on a C6, Meaning that if you push the pedal 1/4 of the way down, the TB valve is not going to open up 1/4 of the way.

GM programed the pedal this way so the car is slow traffic/wet condition drivable and to gain MPG fuel economy (pedal less sensitive for the first half of the pedal push). When you start to get 1/2 way down or more, then the TB valve becomes more linear instead.

The cow booster remaps the pedal to TB programing so the TB valve opens up more in the initial part of the pedal push (still not completely linear between the two, since this would make the car almost un-drivable in less than perfect traction conditions).[/QUOTE



Now that's what i am talking about an intelligent answer!

Thanks

Alan.

brewcitygymratt

I would stick with ECS. I don't think you will find a better tuner. Just look at all the ECS customer cars and the resulting track results. I prefer to see results like 1/4 mi times not just "omg it FEELS so much faster, this tune is AMAZING!". Butt dyno is not a reliable means of measuring gains.

PS: Any decent tuner can adjust throttle tip in or input throughout the rpm band to make it more aggressive. There also are devices like the Sprint booster which does the same thing, basically plug and play. It will feel faster because of less throttle input needed, but it won't be any faster in the real world.

Kingman99

What is the real world anyway? ECS tuned my C5 along with other things but now i live in Ga. and not New Jersey. I have used Vengeance for normal Maintenance on my C5 and now that i have a C6 i will conTinue to use Vengeance. Their reputation in the Southeast is second to none plus they are customers of ECS.

Alan

brewcitygymratt

real world=dragstrip, or dyno numbers for those who don't track their cars. I've read far too many reviews of mods or tunes of owners ripping around on the street with no proof of the actual gain. I like seeing quantitative results whenever possible, when people give reviews of performance mods including tunes.

Thought ECS was local to you. If you live near Vengeance, they have a great rep as well on LS1 tech and other forums so they would be a great choice.

Dano523

Throttle pedal to Tb Valve mapping is not something that most tuning software can do on the C6's. What is needed is a third program to activate this part of the programing in the ECM first so the tuning software can see it, then once activated, it can re-adjusted with a program like EFI live.

With the Sprint booster, it just lowered the entire throttle mapping down so you got 100% TB, with 3/4 of the pedal pushed down instead.

With the boost tune, it's the first half of the pedal to TB valving that is remapped, leaving full pedal down to full TB open correct instead.


As for the merits, if the return to idle decay has been tuned out (say on a base model so the revs can drop when you come off the throttle instead of a half second delay before the drop down), and the booster installed, it does give you finer control of the throttle for throttle pedal feathering adjustments as you are controlling the car out on a hard corner push with the rear tires.

sallen619

The CoW Booster is not a "tune". CoW can tune your car and install the CoW Booster. You could get a different company's tune and have a CoW Booster also...

el es tu

Hptuners has the capability to change the throttle % however, it is well known that changing the values for this can brick the computer. Chuck supposedly modifies the hardware so he can then go in and change the tables without destroying the ecu.

0Chuck CoW

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jyounger74

I am positive HP tuners and even diablo sport have the capability of tweaking the so called throttle response.

0Chuck CoW

Nothing like I do..... Don't positive till you find out for sue.


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Please send it along for me to evaluate.

In either case CoW BOOSTER! is $200 and everyone loves it.


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Thanks
Chuck CoW

0Daniel@Vengeance

There are many differences between each tuner, their preferred method of tuning, and how complete/thorough it is. This may be to appeal to a certain customer, price point, etc.

A full street/dyno tuning session will allow a tuner to monitor and change all open parameters across multiple tables (VE, MAF,..) as well as adjust everything from transmission shift points to throttle response. A competent and skilled EFI Live tuner will have access to and understand how to manipulate most all functions from the PCM to fine tune each vehicle specifically.

Not every car, engine, or driver are the same. Monitoring how the car is reacting under different conditions (hot/cold starts, idle, partial throttle, WOT, etc.) and being able to see how the car has changed after modifying these parameters is the only way to truly dial in a vehicle for optimal performance and reliability.

sallen619

I know

I had the CoW Booster on my last C6...and will get it done again on my current C6