Methanol Pump Location
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Methanol Pump Location
I had planned to mount my pump behind the WS washer tank on the frame, but without welding a bracket to the aluminum frame, I didn't see any way it would fit. I remember a post from a while back where it was mounted to the radiator support frame. After a little brainstorming this is what I came up with:
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Planning for methanol soon but whats going to happen if it gets some rain that is Q i want to know before i put the pump there just worrying if it gives up.
Thanks for post
Thanks for post
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I'd avoid that location; that piece snapped off when I hit a pothole this Wed.
The usual mounting location is on the end of the driver's side fender, near the door, upright... I'd stick to that.
The usual mounting location is on the end of the driver's side fender, near the door, upright... I'd stick to that.
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I really should have posted my solution to this issue for an option. I had planned on a meth install thread but here are the quickie pics and what I did to make it fit without running really long (expensive lines) and without resorting to the welding.
The windsheild washer tank is plastic. I re-drilled new holes on it about 3/4" lower and replaced the same bolts (had to shave down one washer on the left side to fit) moving the tank up slightly. It takes 10 minutes and is really intuitive once you are in there.
Here are some pics of the pump which then fit without hanging down at the bottom of the fender 1/2 inch teasing you with a peak-a-boo from the bottom of the car.
The two braided lines are for my parallel fuel system and its + wire. They run up the same location the meth lines run up. None rub or interfere with fitment. It looks like a tighter fit than it is.
Anyway the pump is mounted with two metal-self-tapping screws. You can put in all 4 but its strong enough with two and the second two would only put pressure against the WW tank. The grounding lugs are in two locations for redundant grounds since system failure will 99.9% of the time be due to electrical (installer) error.
Additionally, the plastic black insert in the fender that you see from outside the car in the fender 'air vent', then touches the pump keeping the fender from going back in place properly. I heated this corner with a heat gun making the black plastic soft and then pushed it to the pump essentially making the black plastic mold-fitted to the shape of the pump. I pushed in further than needed for proper fender fit so when I released the pressure, it isnt touching the pump.
ECS/alky control has a great system here.
The windsheild washer tank is plastic. I re-drilled new holes on it about 3/4" lower and replaced the same bolts (had to shave down one washer on the left side to fit) moving the tank up slightly. It takes 10 minutes and is really intuitive once you are in there.
Here are some pics of the pump which then fit without hanging down at the bottom of the fender 1/2 inch teasing you with a peak-a-boo from the bottom of the car.
The two braided lines are for my parallel fuel system and its + wire. They run up the same location the meth lines run up. None rub or interfere with fitment. It looks like a tighter fit than it is.
Anyway the pump is mounted with two metal-self-tapping screws. You can put in all 4 but its strong enough with two and the second two would only put pressure against the WW tank. The grounding lugs are in two locations for redundant grounds since system failure will 99.9% of the time be due to electrical (installer) error.
Additionally, the plastic black insert in the fender that you see from outside the car in the fender 'air vent', then touches the pump keeping the fender from going back in place properly. I heated this corner with a heat gun making the black plastic soft and then pushed it to the pump essentially making the black plastic mold-fitted to the shape of the pump. I pushed in further than needed for proper fender fit so when I released the pressure, it isnt touching the pump.
ECS/alky control has a great system here.
Last edited by SpinMonster; 09-08-2009 at 02:40 AM.
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I mounted mine at the rear of the car under the "cubby"hole. I mounted the tank inside the cubby hole. Seems to be a great location. Its protected from the elements the tank always feeds directly below to the pump so it never runs dry, I've tested the line delay and basically there isnt one. Some were telling me they wouldnt do it because theres too much of a delay. I didnt see a delay at all and as a pre caution I just have it come on .5 psi soooner that I normally would.
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SpimMonster, thanks for your post with pictures. Unfortunately, the pump that I have (Snowperformance) is apparently larger in diameter than the one you are using and there is no way that I can see it fitting in that lacation. As stated in my original post, I tried there, but I just couldn't figure out a way to make it work without some major modications. I did give some thought to buying a different pump, but decided to stick with what I have.
I think I'll stick with the location I have it currrently mounted. For those who said not to mount it there, I ask why not. I have no intention of hitting a man eating pot hole in Manhattan, and if I did, my worry would be with replacing the radiator; the Meth pump would be of minor concern. And since I plan to run a 50/50 mix, fire is not a concern.
I think I'll stick with the location I have it currrently mounted. For those who said not to mount it there, I ask why not. I have no intention of hitting a man eating pot hole in Manhattan, and if I did, my worry would be with replacing the radiator; the Meth pump would be of minor concern. And since I plan to run a 50/50 mix, fire is not a concern.
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I think I'll stick with the location I have it currrently mounted. For those who said not to mount it there, I ask why not. I have no intention of hitting a man eating pot hole in Manhattan, and if I did, my worry would be with replacing the radiator; the Meth pump would be of minor concern. And since I plan to run a 50/50 mix, fire is not a concern.
BTW that is the second time I break that piece. The first time was hitting a "dip" on the road on US-18 right here in New Jersey. Appearently NJ Road comission's idea of a "Dip" is a road that falls off 4 inches and then comes back up 4 inches on a sharp ledge. I still can't believe the wheels didn't bend from that. That first time it only broke the rad. support.
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That's my reason right there, but since you read my post, you knew it already
BTW that is the second time I break that piece. The first time was hitting a "dip" on the road on US-18 right here in New Jersey. Appearently NJ Road comission's idea of a "Dip" is a road that falls off 4 inches and then comes back up 4 inches on a sharp ledge. I still can't believe the wheels didn't bend from that. That first time it only broke the rad. support.
BTW that is the second time I break that piece. The first time was hitting a "dip" on the road on US-18 right here in New Jersey. Appearently NJ Road comission's idea of a "Dip" is a road that falls off 4 inches and then comes back up 4 inches on a sharp ledge. I still can't believe the wheels didn't bend from that. That first time it only broke the rad. support.
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As I stated the WW tank moves up to make the room for it to fit. It is not a major job to move it up unless 10 minutes qualifies as major.
Here is a better view of the Alky control pump. You may recognize it off the car as the same as your pump:
Snow performance and Alky Control both claim to modify the pump but its case is identicle.
Last edited by SpinMonster; 09-10-2009 at 06:33 AM.
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Silly question (perhaps)
I think I understand correctly that normal WW fluid can be used in place of methonal. True? What are the down sides?
Also any chance that the WW system can retain its support for cleaning the windscreen and also serve as a injection system with a second pump?
Also any chance that the WW system can retain its support for cleaning the windscreen and also serve as a injection system with a second pump?
Last edited by Dan Wendling; 09-10-2009 at 01:55 PM. Reason: Found the answer with a bit more searching
#15
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Its the same pump with a different sticker on it. I just did a snow performance pump install this week; same diameter, same pump. It went in the exact same location.
As I stated the WW tank moves up to make the room for it to fit. It is not a major job to move it up unless 10 minutes qualifies as major.
Here is a better view of the Alky control pump. You may recognize it off the car as the same as your pump:
Snow performance and Alky Control both claim to modify the pump but its case is identicle.
As I stated the WW tank moves up to make the room for it to fit. It is not a major job to move it up unless 10 minutes qualifies as major.
Here is a better view of the Alky control pump. You may recognize it off the car as the same as your pump:
Snow performance and Alky Control both claim to modify the pump but its case is identicle.
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Well, I'm sticking with the mount I currently have since I've made up all the AN hoses and wiring. But for anyone contemplating this in the future, I've found another location that would work great for mounting the pump.
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no.
Any and all input should be considered but I fail to see why you would want to make longer hoses than needed than simply put it where I have it; where it fits with 10 minutes work. I think its easier than running around getting hoses made and spending more money. Anyone who does what I did would see its the best solution without welding mounts or getting 4 foot lines made up. You drill 3 holes in the plastic WW tank under the existing ones and put the screws back.....done. Then it fits and the lines are the right size.
In any event the spot used should be lower than the lowest level of the Meth reservoir or you will get air in the feed line and/or siphoning from the supply side line of the pump to the nozzle.
In any event the spot used should be lower than the lowest level of the Meth reservoir or you will get air in the feed line and/or siphoning from the supply side line of the pump to the nozzle.
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no.
Any and all input should be considered but I fail to see why you would want to make longer hoses than needed than simply put it where I have it; where it fits with 10 minutes work. I think its easier than running around getting hoses made and spending more money. Anyone who does what I did would see its the best solution without welding mounts or getting 4 foot lines made up. You drill 3 holes in the plastic WW tank under the existing ones and put the screws back.....done. Then it fits and the lines are the right size.
In any event the spot used should be lower than the lowest level of the Meth reservoir or you will get air in the feed line and/or siphoning from the supply side line of the pump to the nozzle.
Any and all input should be considered but I fail to see why you would want to make longer hoses than needed than simply put it where I have it; where it fits with 10 minutes work. I think its easier than running around getting hoses made and spending more money. Anyone who does what I did would see its the best solution without welding mounts or getting 4 foot lines made up. You drill 3 holes in the plastic WW tank under the existing ones and put the screws back.....done. Then it fits and the lines are the right size.
In any event the spot used should be lower than the lowest level of the Meth reservoir or you will get air in the feed line and/or siphoning from the supply side line of the pump to the nozzle.
Anyhow, thanks for the feedback. It will be helpfull to others who decide to take on a water/meth project in the future.
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I mounted mine at the rear of the car under the "cubby"hole. I mounted the tank inside the cubby hole. Seems to be a great location. Its protected from the elements the tank always feeds directly below to the pump so it never runs dry, I've tested the line delay and basically there isnt one. Some were telling me they wouldnt do it because theres too much of a delay. I didnt see a delay at all and as a pre caution I just have it come on .5 psi soooner that I normally would.