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Old 01-25-2008, 03:17 PM   #1
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My 2005 currently has H/C and is putting down 450 rwhp on a nitrous tune. 150 shot of nitrous brings it to 620 rwhp. The combination has worked well for me so far. Enough power N/A to have some fun on road courses and street, but with the extra power from the nitrous when drag racing. I'm thinking of removing the nitrous system and going with a supercharger. At first my wanting a supercharger came simply from hearing the whine in a friend's KB mustang. The sound is intoxicating and it's just something I'd love to hear on my car. I know so far the only SC to produce that sound for the C6 is the maggie. Well from there, my mentality somehow went from simply wanting the sound, to now wanting the power from the nitrous to be there "all the time". Plus I can finally get rid of the bottle in my cargo bay which I have tried so hard (and failed) to conceal. My car is primarily street driven but I do go to road courses once or twice a year. Although its not much, I do like to be able to complete sessions the few times I do go. The maggie is still my first choice, since there is no KB setup for the C6, but I wonder if some superchargers are better suited for road racing than others? Maybe centrifugals are better in this case? What do you guys think? The other option is, of course, leaving everything as is, lol.
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Old 01-25-2008, 04:20 PM   #2
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Intercooled Maggie 122 should work well with your other mods, I don't have any over heating issues with my 112 and a 160 stat.

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Old 01-25-2008, 07:12 PM   #3
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NA is always best on the road course for a hand full of reasons, and not just heat, but the worst type of SC for road racing is by far the roots style blowers. They heat soak like crazy as is, put it on a road course for a half hour and forget it.
If you could go right from the road course to a dyno you would understand why I say this, you lose a ton of power from all that heat soak.
If your an occasional road racer and want an SC a centrifigal will fill your needs much better, let alone the fact that you will not make the power you did with the NOS switching to a Maggie, but you will with a centrifigal. Plus you can continue to upgrade from there if you wish.

We have a handfull of road racers who use our ECS PAxton package, feel free to contact us if you wish to discuss this further.
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If I would trust any kit it would be the ECS kit-it's got the most track proven parts-plus the belt is easy to swap!
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Check this Corvette out, which uses an ATI ProCharger D-1SC. Bob
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NA is always best on the road course for a hand full of reasons, and not just heat, but the worst type of SC for road racing is by far the roots style blowers. They heat soak like crazy as is, put it on a road course for a half hour and forget it.
If you could go right from the road course to a dyno you would understand why I say this, you lose a ton of power from all that heat soak.
If your an occasional road racer and want an SC a centrifigal will fill your needs much better, let alone the fact that you will not make the power you did with the NOS switching to a Maggie, but you will with a centrifigal. Plus you can continue to upgrade from there if you wish.

We have a handfull of road racers who use our ECS PAxton package, feel free to contact us if you wish to discuss this further.



To further this Doug@ECS Vert (http://www.ecsracing.com/ecsracing/showthread.php?t=32) with Paxton stup was taken to the Silver State Classic where he had no issues with the ECS Paxton Kit and we all know how hot it gets out in Nevada.....


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NA is always best on the road course for a hand full of reasons, and not just heat, but the worst type of SC for road racing is by far the roots style blowers. They heat soak like crazy as is, put it on a road course for a half hour and forget it.
If you could go right from the road course to a dyno you would understand why I say this, you lose a ton of power from all that heat soak.
If your an occasional road racer and want an SC a centrifigal will fill your needs much better, let alone the fact that you will not make the power you did with the NOS switching to a Maggie, but you will with a centrifigal. Plus you can continue to upgrade from there if you wish.

We have a handfull of road racers who use our ECS PAxton package, feel free to contact us if you wish to discuss this further.
Thanks! I'll probably be givin you guys a call during the week.
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Old 01-26-2008, 09:29 PM   #8
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ECS kit.

3 major issues I see that need to be considered of you are dead-set on road racing with a blower.

Heat
Powerband
Belt reliability

Centrifugal is the way to go for heat. Maggies are far more prone to heat soak.

Centrifugal is the way to go for powerband. Mimics N/A power band better than any other FI.

Belt reliabilty, ECS centrifugal setup is the way to go. I have had in my possession ATI, A&A, and ECS brackets, with ECS currently on the car. No contest in terms of bracket thickness, quality, belt routing/wrap. Get an 8-rib while you're doing it, don't do the same labor twice.
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My 2005 currently has H/C and is putting down 450 rwhp on a nitrous tune. 150 shot of nitrous brings it to 620 rwhp. The combination has worked well for me so far. Enough power N/A to have some fun on road courses and street, but with the extra power from the nitrous when drag racing. I'm thinking of removing the nitrous system and going with a supercharger. At first my wanting a supercharger came simply from hearing the whine in a friend's KB mustang. The sound is intoxicating and it's just something I'd love to hear on my car. I know so far the only SC to produce that sound for the C6 is the maggie. Well from there, my mentality somehow went from simply wanting the sound, to now wanting the power from the nitrous to be there "all the time". Plus I can finally get rid of the bottle in my cargo bay which I have tried so hard (and failed) to conceal. My car is primarily street driven but I do go to road courses once or twice a year. Although its not much, I do like to be able to complete sessions the few times I do go. The maggie is still my first choice, since there is no KB setup for the C6, but I wonder if some superchargers are better suited for road racing than others? Maybe centrifugals are better in this case? What do you guys think? The other option is, of course, leaving everything as is, lol.

I would stick with the maggie. My vortech comes on so hard at 3500rpm that the tires break loose in the first three gears. The power is much more linear with the roots blower than the centrifical. A Kenne bell would be the best, but we all know whats going on with that!?!?!
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Thanks for all the comments guys....tough decision for me here but I want FI, lol!
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A Kenne bell would be the best, but we all know whats going on with that!?!?!
So what is going on with that?
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So what is going on with that?
Well nothing is going on, thats the whole problem, lol. They are focused on their ford productions right now. They are not even going to START designing the system for the C6 until sometime later this year...and thats IF its this year at all.
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I would stick with the maggie. My vortech comes on so hard at 3500rpm that the tires break loose in the first three gears. The power is much more linear with the roots blower than the centrifical. A Kenne bell would be the best, but we all know whats going on with that!?!?!
I have a maggie and it comes on strong at 1800 rpm and can break loose in third gear well past 100 mph with a4 it is a hand full on the road course it did not over heat last year at the end of the season. I had lpe re program the trans over the winter so it will not down shift in 3 or overdrive to 2nd at wot . but for a track car na is the best set up.
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I had a maggie on my 350z and never had heat soak issues either.

My first full track weekend with Andy's kit will be March 8/9 at Barber Motorsports Park, and I think the A&A kit will also hold up well. The intercooler is a little smaller than others and offset to the side, so a good portion of the radiator is not blocked.

Will report after the event.
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