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Old 07-27-2007, 07:52 PM   #1
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I've given up trying to get my LC1 to accurately read. It outputs 8.9 constantly and only works 15% of the time. They have said that they will replace it, but at this point I think I'm just going to get another unit as it is too much of a pain in the a$$. Tried recalibration, new sensor, and relocating the O2 bung with no luck (reads error 8).

Which wideband are you using and have you had any success with it? I am looking into the AEM unit - I already have their boost controller and it works well....
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Old 07-27-2007, 09:40 PM   #2
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Old 07-27-2007, 10:49 PM   #3
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i have the aem unit. it a good piece but the ring surronding the gauge could be nicer. my autometer sport comp 2's look like the factory gauges but this has a silver painted plastic ring or black. even has peramiters already in hp tuners
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Old 07-27-2007, 11:28 PM   #4
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I'm going with FJO Racing, I had one in a previous car, and it is a very nice unit.
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Old 07-27-2007, 11:43 PM   #5
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Easier to set up and no calibration needed.
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Old 07-28-2007, 04:52 PM   #7
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here is an article that discusses the pros and cons of most of the currently available wideband sensors

http://www.fordmuscle.com/archives/2...tout/index.php
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here is an article that discusses the pros and cons of most of the currently available wideband sensors

http://www.fordmuscle.com/archives/2...tout/index.php
Can you summarize. The link requires a subsciption to get past Page #1.
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Old 07-28-2007, 06:42 PM   #9
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rats, sorry when I was given the link it didnt requrie a subscription and I dont have one. I dont remember the outcome but I do remember that the uego unit did very well. I only rember that becasue it was the unit I had.
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Old 07-28-2007, 10:07 PM   #10
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Nothing wrong with the LC-1 unit...most problems are related to ground issues. Simply ground to pcm and most problems go away.

I've used LM and LC units for quite a while with no problems..also interfaces nicely with hp tuners fwiw

Any unit be it lc or otherwise can be defective.

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Old 07-28-2007, 10:23 PM   #11
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AEM all the way. That is the only wideband we use in all our shop cars and out personal ones. They seem to work the best and super easy to use and understand.
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Ive tried four different grounds now with no success - still having the same issues. Probably a defective unit....

I bought the AEM today. Should be here in a few days........
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Old 07-28-2007, 10:50 PM   #13
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Sorry to hear about chasing your tail with the LC1

I did some research before attempting the install on my 03 Z and chose to install the sensor in place of the driver's side narrow band.

The wires going to the narrowband include power for the heater and a direct ground to the pcm along with reference and narrowband signal wires which are now supplied by the LC-1. Another reason why I chose to do this is that with the LS #5 /7 ring land problems which seem to surface more often than expected, I thought that monitoring that side of the engine and keeping it a bit rich would be better than going to the other (easier) side and hoping that the driver's side would fall in line.

Good luck with the new unit and again...sorry to hear that you had so much trouble with the LC1

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Old 07-29-2007, 12:54 AM   #14
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I have the PLX SM-AFR here also. It works well, looks good, and wasn't real expensive.
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I have the AEM UEGO and have used it on my old blown C5 and now my C6. I loved the ease of use and easy integration with HPT but recently I have noticed that if I am in closed loop my AFR floats around 15.5:1. Another guy noticed this as well with his PLX. After much debate on the HPT forums we're still not sure whether our WB's are accurate near stoich or WOT. The only way to tell would be to install a second/different controller and sensor. So previously I would have said AEM for sure but now I'm not sure.
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Old 07-30-2007, 11:48 AM   #16
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Does this only happen in closed loop when the A/F is around 15:1, or constantly when the vehicle is in closed loop?
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It's impossible to tell without another wideband as a sanity check. I tuned the car in open loop MAF to a perfect 14.7:1 according to the AEM. Then I re-enable closed loop and the stock O2's switch back and forth normally but the closed loop AFR is ~15.5ish so either the WB is reading correctly and there is a problem with the narrow band O2's or they narrow bands are working right and the actual AFR is ~14.7 (in closed loop) but the AEM is not acurate around stoich which begs the question; Is it off throughout the entire band?
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I've given up trying to get my LC1 to accurately read. It outputs 8.9 constantly and only works 15% of the time. They have said that they will replace it, but at this point I think I'm just going to get another unit as it is too much of a pain in the a$$. Tried recalibration, new sensor, and relocating the O2 bung with no luck (reads error 8).
Was it reading 8.9 on an Innovate gauge, or through some other external logger/display?

I ask because there were some known issues DAC chips in older units that caused the analog output, which you would use for external displays or datalogging, to die.

The wideband sensor itself is incapable of reading below 10:1 (and the controller knows this) so for you to see 8.9 means that either the grounding/wiring was done incorrectly (not likely, based on what you're saying) or that the DAC chip was fried.

I use the LC-1 in my boosted C5Z constantly and it works like a charm, it's a shame they had a flaw with the older DAC chips. All seems to be resolved now though.
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3 of the most accurate. FJO, Motec and Zeitronics. I have a complete new Innovate if someone wants a deal
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