[ZR1] New ZO6 2015
01-19-2014, 07:54 PM
#201
Melting Slicks
Why are you so bloody frustrated?I really dont get it .There was a guy posting that the z06 was going to come out with 728 h.p i did not invent that.Yes i get upset when people mislead other people with wrong information.There are new inexperienced people being misled because some smart *** wants to get attention.I m not agressive i just dont have tolerance for b.s ,be it pricing ,horsepower or other false claims.Ususally though you might not agree my claims are pretty justified.So now one guy says you can get a c7 z06 for 80 k and another says its going to start at over 120k.that is a 50 percent difference,do you see what i am getting at?We are adults and credibility is a beautifull thing.It is sometimes seriously lacking in these forums.Hope i didnt offend the weak kneed with this statement.Being credible is like being honest it is of the uttmost importance.Chill out Jody i know your still upset at me for the last thread a few months back .Honestly from now on i wont offer any opinion that way i dont hurt your feelings or offend those who give me a reason to stand up and say whats right.
01-19-2014, 09:50 PM
#202
Safety Car
I get the next gen should be faster and out perform the last gen. I get all of that. I am just confused on why GM says its gonna cost 79,000 and outperform, with better quality then last gens 110,000 ZR1? Usually when something does that it cost more, or the same. Is this GM saying sorry about the C6's? They were overpriced and now a year later they can make a better quality supercar for 10's of thousands cheaper??
I hear that people say this new Z06 is against the old Z06, then why is GM running it against the ZR1 track times? I would be furious if I dropped that kind of money on a 2012 ZR1 or even a Z06. If this new Z06 starts @ 79,000, and say a year or so I want to sell my 10,000 mile 2012 ZR1, I would have to ask for 50-60 grand for it if not less. So in 3 yrs my 120,000 dollar car took a 60,000 hit or more. Who in their right mind would spend 75-85 for a used ZR1 if the new Z06 is gonna cost 79,000 brand new and be faster?
If GM does price this car in the 79,000 price range to me its like they are saying that they over priced corvettes in the past and that they can make a super quality supercar for a fraction of the cost as the last gens!
I hear that people say this new Z06 is against the old Z06, then why is GM running it against the ZR1 track times? I would be furious if I dropped that kind of money on a 2012 ZR1 or even a Z06. If this new Z06 starts @ 79,000, and say a year or so I want to sell my 10,000 mile 2012 ZR1, I would have to ask for 50-60 grand for it if not less. So in 3 yrs my 120,000 dollar car took a 60,000 hit or more. Who in their right mind would spend 75-85 for a used ZR1 if the new Z06 is gonna cost 79,000 brand new and be faster?
If GM does price this car in the 79,000 price range to me its like they are saying that they over priced corvettes in the past and that they can make a super quality supercar for a fraction of the cost as the last gens!
01-19-2014, 11:19 PM
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01-20-2014, 09:13 AM
#205
Drifting
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trade in value
I really like the idea of the C7 Z06 with the Z07 package. I am hoping that my 2010 ZR1, pictured below (the 3M Clear Bra has kept it looking like new), will bring at least 95K as a trade in and that the dealer will discount the Z07 to 79K.
01-20-2014, 10:15 AM
#207
Burning Brakes
Too many people fail to understand the auto market.........simple it's a car! It will depreciate! Yes, it's a new model car, lots of hype so people will pay huge for it initially but it will fall and the dealer markups will stop, not right away but they will.
Look at history, happens all the time, new 2007 Shelby GT 500, 2006 Z06, 2013 Shelby GT500 - interesting, dummies said the same thing about this car and go look at them now, especially those owners that are bailing on their 2013 with 2000 miles asking less than invoice$$.......or those that get insulted on trade-in - what?? Not so rare now is it ???
Look at history, happens all the time, new 2007 Shelby GT 500, 2006 Z06, 2013 Shelby GT500 - interesting, dummies said the same thing about this car and go look at them now, especially those owners that are bailing on their 2013 with 2000 miles asking less than invoice$$.......or those that get insulted on trade-in - what?? Not so rare now is it ???
But thats a 55,000 Mustang, not a 120,000 Corvette. The 2007 GT500 was cheaper then the 2013 Gt500 or at least in the same ball park.
Gm said that if you can afford a C6 Z06, then you can afford this new C7 Z06. Since the 2012 Z06 started @ what 73,000 then afford to me would me a starting price around 80,000, especially if everything is pointing @ fully loaded under 100,000.
So this would be like buying a 2011 Gt500 for 50,000 and then 2 years later a faster, better performing Gt500 came out costing 30,000... To me that does not make sense and I would be steaming if I bought the last GT500 for 20,000 more and its slower with less options!!
No body is saying the Z06 isnt a bad *** car or a great steal @ that price.. What I am upset about is that to me it seems GM could have sold the C6's for a lot less then what they did sell for. Is this their way of saying the C6's were over priced were to have a 600hp+ C6 it cost over 100,000 but to have a 600+ hp C7 its only 80,000?
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01-20-2014, 10:59 AM
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Micro Economics
Great thread with a lot of varying opinions in the many posts. I know that economics is not as much fun as, say, Spring Mountain. But, micro economics offers a near perfect explanation of the pricing strategy being employed by GM. Try this UC Irvine course on line.
https://class.coursera.org/ucimicroe.../wiki/syllabus
It's free and as interesting as micro economics can get.
https://class.coursera.org/ucimicroe.../wiki/syllabus
It's free and as interesting as micro economics can get.
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01-21-2014, 02:05 PM
#210
Le Mans Master
The C7 Z06 is the replacement for the C6 Z06 and will be priced accordingly. PERIOD. What is so hard to understand about that?
If it happens to outperform the C6 ZR1 in some regards, great. Just because the C7 Z06 may be able to outrun the C6 ZR1 doesn't mean it should be priced like a ZR1. That's stupid.
I just don't get why that's so hard to understand. The C7 Z06 will be mass produced, including it's engine. The C6 ZR1 WILL BE LIGHTER THAN THE C7 Z06 (ANYONE WANT TO BET ME MONEY? I'M SERIOUS) and the power will be similar. Also, the LS9 was a hand produced engine WITH BETTER INTERNALS than the LT4. Look at the specs, it's a fact. The LT4 will be cranked out by the thousands by machines like the LSA.
The ZR1 has a lot of expensive goodies, especially for a car that came out in '09 and all the development costs could only be amortized over a smaller number of units. That is why it's priced the way it is. The C6 ZR1 will be much more exclusive than the C7 Z06 which they will crank out in the thousands per year.
I've enjoyed my ZR1 and I know it will continue to depreciate especially with the C7 already out at the Z06 model on the horizon. I don't care though. I've driven a very special car the past 3 years and will drive it for a few more years before trading on the latest and greatest model.
Whatever my ZR1 is worth will be what the market dictates, but don't be naive and think the ZR1 value is in it's performance alone relative to the C7 Z06.
01-21-2014, 03:33 PM
#212
Safety Car
My head hurts. If pricing on future models is predicated on performance alone, how do you explain the expensive Porsche, Ferrari, etc. when a C6 ZR1 can outrun them for way less?
not comparing porsche to gm, simply prices of performance whin specific brands, i used porsche price figure to compare within their own models through the years
The C7 Z06 is the replacement for the C6 Z06 and will be priced accordingly. PERIOD. What is so hard to understand about that?
not so fast, they specifically brought the supercharger in to bring it up to zr1 performance, thus making it zr1 like platform for less -good or bad, that is what it is-
If it happens to outperform the C6 ZR1 in some regards, great. Just because the C7 Z06 may be able to out run the C6 ZR1 doesn't mean it should be priced like a ZR1. That's stupid.
why stupid? they bring 125k level of performance, which now can be have for under 100k. I highlighted this before, other brands keep the performance and price on par within their own models. The new 911 turbo always cost 35k more, and has more performance. That would be the same as having the new 991 S outperforming the outgoing turbo, never gonna happen from one iteration to the next. It protects the premium buyers -call it class warefare perhaps but that is why they do it.
I just don't get why that's so hard to understand. The C7 Z06 will be mass produced, including it's engine. The C6 ZR1 WILL BE LIGHTER THAN THE C7 Z06 (ANYONE WANT TO BET ME MONEY? I'M SERIOUS) and the power will be similar. Also, the LS9 was a hand produced engine WITH BETTER INTERNALS than the LT4. Look at the specs, it's a fact. The LT4 will be cranked out by the thousands by machines like the LSA.
the ls7 was alo hand build, like the ls9, so based on that the new z06 should be even cheaper... so which is it, can't say the ls9 cost so much more because it was hand built with exotic parts when the ls7 was the same hand built with exotic parts, minus a blower and some. I agree on the rest, penny saved adds up of course
The ZR1 has a lot of expensive goodies, especially for a car that came out in '09 and all the development costs could only be amortized over a smaller number of units. That is why it's priced the way it is. The C6 ZR1 will be much more exclusive than the C7 Z06 which they will crank out in the thousands per year.
agreed, 47xx produced, that number will be done in two months with the new one.
I've enjoyed my ZR1 and I know it will continue to depreciate especially with the C7 already out at the Z06 model on the horizon. I don't care though. I've driven a very special car the past 3 years and will drive it for a few more years before trading on the latest and greatest model.
Whatever my ZR1 is worth will be what the market dictates, but don't be naive and think the ZR1 value is in it's performance alone relative to the C7 Z06.
not naive at all, but simply looking at others and their price range, and none have done such a price gap difference
not comparing porsche to gm, simply prices of performance whin specific brands, i used porsche price figure to compare within their own models through the years
The C7 Z06 is the replacement for the C6 Z06 and will be priced accordingly. PERIOD. What is so hard to understand about that?
not so fast, they specifically brought the supercharger in to bring it up to zr1 performance, thus making it zr1 like platform for less -good or bad, that is what it is-
If it happens to outperform the C6 ZR1 in some regards, great. Just because the C7 Z06 may be able to out run the C6 ZR1 doesn't mean it should be priced like a ZR1. That's stupid.
why stupid? they bring 125k level of performance, which now can be have for under 100k. I highlighted this before, other brands keep the performance and price on par within their own models. The new 911 turbo always cost 35k more, and has more performance. That would be the same as having the new 991 S outperforming the outgoing turbo, never gonna happen from one iteration to the next. It protects the premium buyers -call it class warefare perhaps but that is why they do it.
I just don't get why that's so hard to understand. The C7 Z06 will be mass produced, including it's engine. The C6 ZR1 WILL BE LIGHTER THAN THE C7 Z06 (ANYONE WANT TO BET ME MONEY? I'M SERIOUS) and the power will be similar. Also, the LS9 was a hand produced engine WITH BETTER INTERNALS than the LT4. Look at the specs, it's a fact. The LT4 will be cranked out by the thousands by machines like the LSA.
the ls7 was alo hand build, like the ls9, so based on that the new z06 should be even cheaper... so which is it, can't say the ls9 cost so much more because it was hand built with exotic parts when the ls7 was the same hand built with exotic parts, minus a blower and some. I agree on the rest, penny saved adds up of course
The ZR1 has a lot of expensive goodies, especially for a car that came out in '09 and all the development costs could only be amortized over a smaller number of units. That is why it's priced the way it is. The C6 ZR1 will be much more exclusive than the C7 Z06 which they will crank out in the thousands per year.
agreed, 47xx produced, that number will be done in two months with the new one.
I've enjoyed my ZR1 and I know it will continue to depreciate especially with the C7 already out at the Z06 model on the horizon. I don't care though. I've driven a very special car the past 3 years and will drive it for a few more years before trading on the latest and greatest model.
Whatever my ZR1 is worth will be what the market dictates, but don't be naive and think the ZR1 value is in it's performance alone relative to the C7 Z06.
not naive at all, but simply looking at others and their price range, and none have done such a price gap difference
01-21-2014, 08:11 PM
#213
Drifting
My head hurts. If pricing on future models is predicated on performance alone, how do you explain the expensive Porsche, Ferrari, etc. when a C6 ZR1 can outrun them for way less?
The C7 Z06 is the replacement for the C6 Z06 and will be priced accordingly. PERIOD. What is so hard to understand about that?
If it happens to outperform the C6 ZR1 in some regards, great. Just because the C7 Z06 may be able to outrun the C6 ZR1 doesn't mean it should be priced like a ZR1. That's stupid.
I just don't get why that's so hard to understand. The C7 Z06 will be mass produced, including it's engine. The C6 ZR1 WILL BE LIGHTER THAN THE C7 Z06 (ANYONE WANT TO BET ME MONEY? I'M SERIOUS) and the power will be similar. Also, the LS9 was a hand produced engine WITH BETTER INTERNALS than the LT4. Look at the specs, it's a fact. The LT4 will be cranked out by the thousands by machines like the LSA.
The ZR1 has a lot of expensive goodies, especially for a car that came out in '09 and all the development costs could only be amortized over a smaller number of units. That is why it's priced the way it is. The C6 ZR1 will be much more exclusive than the C7 Z06 which they will crank out in the thousands per year.
I've enjoyed my ZR1 and I know it will continue to depreciate especially with the C7 already out at the Z06 model on the horizon. I don't care though. I've driven a very special car the past 3 years and will drive it for a few more years before trading on the latest and greatest model.
Whatever my ZR1 is worth will be what the market dictates, but don't be naive and think the ZR1 value is in it's performance alone relative to the C7 Z06.
The C7 Z06 is the replacement for the C6 Z06 and will be priced accordingly. PERIOD. What is so hard to understand about that?
If it happens to outperform the C6 ZR1 in some regards, great. Just because the C7 Z06 may be able to outrun the C6 ZR1 doesn't mean it should be priced like a ZR1. That's stupid.
I just don't get why that's so hard to understand. The C7 Z06 will be mass produced, including it's engine. The C6 ZR1 WILL BE LIGHTER THAN THE C7 Z06 (ANYONE WANT TO BET ME MONEY? I'M SERIOUS) and the power will be similar. Also, the LS9 was a hand produced engine WITH BETTER INTERNALS than the LT4. Look at the specs, it's a fact. The LT4 will be cranked out by the thousands by machines like the LSA.
The ZR1 has a lot of expensive goodies, especially for a car that came out in '09 and all the development costs could only be amortized over a smaller number of units. That is why it's priced the way it is. The C6 ZR1 will be much more exclusive than the C7 Z06 which they will crank out in the thousands per year.
I've enjoyed my ZR1 and I know it will continue to depreciate especially with the C7 already out at the Z06 model on the horizon. I don't care though. I've driven a very special car the past 3 years and will drive it for a few more years before trading on the latest and greatest model.
Whatever my ZR1 is worth will be what the market dictates, but don't be naive and think the ZR1 value is in it's performance alone relative to the C7 Z06.
Dave