Onerareviper

No. You're point is a lot of buyers may not know the downsides to R-Compound and 'need to be informed'. I disagree, assuming they're checking that box.

I think you missed my point....

Onerareviper

I can't wait the see the response in this forum when a GT-R owner says, "You only won because you have R-Compound tires". Now that's what I'm looking forward to.... I bet all of the sudden they become dot legal street tires, and not magical racing tires good for 10 seconds a lap

jvp

I didn't miss your point. You don't know the average Corvette buyer, specially the ones that can afford things like ZR1s. Unless the Chevy salesman sits down and informs them of the potential downsides of Rs, they're going to be blissfully unaware and honestly think they're just buying "the best."

I can assure you that'll be the mindset. I'm sorry you don't see that. But, I don't care that you don't, either. There's a reason I normally ignore your somewhat useless posts. I'm going to go back to doing that now.

jas

range96

I'm elated that MPSC tires are coming out in ZR1 sizes. I'm hoping other brands will follow suit.

Viper boys will have to pull new tricks out of their sleeves for their upcoming version.

Shurshot

On the flip side from road racing the new close ratio transmission might substantially lower 1/4 ET's.

Unfortunately I haven't been able to find out the ratios

Dicecal

Totally agree! And will the car still go 205mph? Very curious on the gear ratios too!

range96

The MH3 is NOT new. The ZR1 already has it. It will now be offered as part of a package for non-ZR1 cars.

There are vendors who can supply windowless hood for ZR1's if you dislike the window.

The Z06 sure came out better. The only performance upgrade the ZR1 got was the MPSC option.

Silver05GTO

Interesting that PTM is now available on the Z06, I remember a few ZR1 folks saying it would probably remain exclusive to the ZR1.....looks like GM has taken another feature of it's baddest vette and handed it down.

I fail to see the point of making features "exclusive" to the top tier vettes for 1 or 2 years to just pass it down the line. Is GM looking to "bait" people into paying more for first on the block status?

Example.....ZR1 could've had PTM back in 2009 (not available till 2010), Z06 w/Z07 could've had PTM in 2011 (not available till 2012), Grand Sport could've had F55 in 2010 (not available till 2011).....see what I mean. The technology is THERE, GM decides to try and milk it as far as possible and get those returning customers to trade up year after year.

Smart on their part to a point.....but with vette sales lacking, less people to trade up year after year, and many people catching on to this gimmick of "exclusivity".....not surprising sales have declined year after year.

Dicecal

Are you sure? This reads like its a performance option package for the ZR1 only: Wheels, Cup Sports and a close ratio trans

(PDE) ZR1 High Performance Package, includes (RUV) Black cup style lightweight 19" front and 20" rear wheels, (XFH) Michelin PS Cup tires and (MH3) 6-speed close-ratio manual transmission

Plus here are the trans codes for 2012:
(MM6) is now the RPO code for the 6-speed manual transmission for Coupe, Convertible and Z06
• (MZ6) is now the RPO code for the 6-speed manual transmission for Grand Sport
• (ME2) is now the RPO code for the 6-speed manual transmission for ZR1
• (MYC) is now the RPO code for the 6-speed automatic transmission


(MH3) Looks like a new transmission

range96

The trickle down options/features of the ZR1 to other models reminds me of C4 ZR-1's. I remember how upset ZR-1 owners were when the ZR-1 specific items made it to the lesser models.

I think this will hurt ZR1 sales as people won't shell out extra money for little differences.

History repeats itself.

range96

Thank you Ken Fichtner for posting this information.

range96

Yes, I'm sure. I have MH3 in my 2010 ZR1. ME2 is now what MH3 was. That is just a code change.

Shurshot

That is not how I read it

Could be a typo but it seems to me that there is a special performance package available for the ZR1 that will have a new close ratio 6 speed

Beechdoctor

range96

The MH3 in 2010 is a close-ratio 6-speed. That is fact.
The real question is does the 2012 MH3 close-ratio 6-speed has different gear ratios. This I don't know for sure. I assume it is.

The other unknown is can you order PDE for non-ZR1 cars? If yes, I doubt the gear ratios changed.

I would be shocked if GM reused MH3 for a different transmission for a consecutive year and used another code for the old transmission. That would make no sense. But, then again, we're dealing with GM.

These questions will be answered once official release info is released.

Onerareviper

I guess I have more faith in the Corvette Brethren, especially those opting for the highest performance version + special (not typical) option (these aren't average Corvette buyers IMO). Porsche has been doing it for years with no issue, so I guess you feel there buyers are far more educated.

BTW - Aren't you supposed to be eating crow?

dvandentop

LOL i laughed when i read this!



**** these will prob be as expensive as the pzero corsas on the laguna seca stang, around $700 a piece

dvandentop

and very few people are going to pay 95-100k for a z06 either with all options
i know it is cliche to say an old 06 with mods will be faster then a 2012 model with z07 package etc... but from the 06 1lz price to the 2012 1lz price there has not been 25k worth of improvements to the car

Vetter Atl

exactly, thats the main problem, I can go buy a set of cups for my 06 Z06 and run the same times as the newest model.

ill be all in around $44k. leather wrapping everywhere, PTM, Magnetic ride or even carbon brakes are not big enough differences to fork out $50K more for same performance in this economy, even though I have the $$.

GOLD72

I am shocked the basic black paint option is being dropped. GM must be out of their minds!!!