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Old 03-15-2008, 02:12 AM   #1
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Default $100,000 ZR1 is a BARGAIN! NOT!!!!!

yes it is a Bargain at $100,000....but no one will be selling it for that....if you think they will go for $100,000 you need a reality check....be prepared to be disappointed...the ZR1 will be NO BARGAIN if it sells for Ferrari or Lamborguini money now will it?
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Old 03-15-2008, 02:22 AM   #2
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yes it is a Bargain at $100,000....but no one will be selling it for that....if you think they will go for $100,000 you need a reality check....be prepared to be disappointed...the ZR1 will be NO BARGAIN if it sells for Ferrari or Lamborguini money now will it?
Both cars you mentioned are more than double the cost of a ZR1. Not that I would spend 100gs this Version of the Vette anyway, regardless, these cars are in different classes, regardless of the performance #'s, so it really isnt fair comparing the ZR1, with a True Exotic car.
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Both cars you mentioned are more than double the cost of a ZR1. Not that I would spend 100gs this Version of the Vette anyway, regardless, these cars are in different classes, regardless of the performance #'s, so it really isnt fair comparing the ZR1, with a True Exotic car.
Say what??? The ZR1 is a true exotic and is very much in the same class as other exotics.
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Old 03-15-2008, 07:29 AM   #5
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Say what??? The ZR1 is a true exotic and is very much in the same class as other exotics.
While everyone's definition of exotic is different, I do not place a corvette in the "exotic" market place. Just because it may be faster than those cars, does not make it one of those cars. I would gladly pay up big time, if I could afford it, for a 430 Scud versus a corvette. Just a different car and a different experience.
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While everyone's definition of exotic is different, I do not place a corvette in the "exotic" market place. Just because it may be faster than those cars, does not make it one of those cars. I would gladly pay up big time, if I could afford it, for a 430 Scud versus a corvette. Just a different car and a different experience.
Many with enough money to buy a Scud would buy the ZR-1 instead if they were looking for that type of car.

I think one has to realize that being able to buy a car like that often means you don't waste your money on stupid things like $400K cars.


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[quote=allegretto;1564554858]Many with enough money to buy a Scud would buy the ZR-1 instead if they were looking for that type of car.

I think one has to realize that being able to buy a car like that often means you don't waste your money on stupid things like $400K cars.

Although way off topic, as someone who did not always have money, it is interesting what you choose to buy or not. It becomes more difficult to buy when you have money because eventually you have everything you want, I am not saying "need" which drives most spending, but "want". After awhile you buy somethings for the hell of it and later wonder why. Just thought I share that with those aspiring to be "rich".

Again, way off topic, I read recently one guy said something that resonates in me. When young you believe he who dies with the most "money" wins, later the most "toys", then the most "experiences" , then the most "friends", and finally, the most "memories". Best

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because of it's rarity, I dont think there's anything wrong with calling it exotic.

The only reason that many would not call it exotic is because traditioanlly, corvettes are not exotic cars.
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Enough already with the,"Do you think the ZR1 is a bargain?" To many people it is and to others it is not. If you don't think so, DON"T try to buy one.
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Old 03-15-2008, 02:38 PM   #10
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because of it's rarity, I dont think there's anything wrong with calling it exotic.

The only reason that many would not call it exotic is because traditioanlly, corvettes are not exotic cars.
exotic-
alien: being or from or characteristic of another place or part of the world; "alien customs"; "exotic plants in a greenhouse"; "exotic cuisine"
strikingly strange or unusual; "an exotic hair style"; "protons, neutrons, electrons and all their exotic variants"; "the exotic landscape of a dead planet"

This definition of exotic explains that "exotic" is dependent on your perspective. In Europe and Asia, Corvettes are exotic. In the U.S. they are not. Just as Ferrari's are NOT exotic in Italy.
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Although way off topic, as someone who did not always have money, it is interesting what you choose to buy or not. It becomes more difficult to buy when you have money because eventually you have everything you want, I am not saying "need" which drives most spending, but "want". After awhile you buy somethings for the hell of it and later wonder why. Just thought I share that with those aspiring to be "rich".

Again, way off topic, I read recently one guy said something that resonates in me. When young you believe he who dies with the most "money" wins, later the most "toys", then the most "experiences" , then the most "friends", and finally, the most "memories". Best

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That Stupid Buying Trick is a common one for sure. That's what eBay is for.

Agree with you friend in the most part. I'd say I'm at the "experiences" phase. Don't know that I'll need friends, I have a great family, wife and four children. I don't know many "friends" I'd trust more. Where's the part about the MOST FUN???


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There are three classes of people.

Those that can afford the ZR1 and think it's a bargain

Those that can't afford the ZR1 and don't think it's a bargain.

Those that can't afford the ZR1 but wish they could so they could call it a bargain ...(I'm in this group)
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yes it is a Bargain at $100,000....but no one will be selling it for that....if you think they will go for $100,000 you need a reality check....be prepared to be disappointed...the ZR1 will be NO BARGAIN if it sells for Ferrari or Lamborguini money now will it?
Oh for crying out loud. Why did you have to start ANOTHER one of these threads? There's already threads like this. Every time someone makes another thread like this, it makes them look even more childish than the last person who did. Also, if you're going to blame anyone for the markup, blame the dealer, not GM. If you're not happy with what you paid for the car, then maybe you should have searched around for a better price. No matter how much you whine, you can't say the ZR1 isn't a bargain.
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Say what??? The ZR1 is a true exotic and is very much in the same class as other exotics.
Sorry corvette is considered a sports car at over 40k units produced/year, in no way can it be consided an exotic , Camaro Muscle car, caddy luxury. Just because the ZR1 has exotic power doesnt make it an exotic, so I guess if I made a 1000hp Civic that turned 8's in the 1/4 it would be consideded an exotic?. Externally the ZR1 and Z06 still basically the same car as the base, with some different body panels. I don't know if you own a corvette, but even my insurance company classifies it as a sports car, it classifies my Viper as an exotic, where I think my Viper is more muscle car than exotic, although it looks right at home parked next to a Lambo, where my vette looks out of place, to much plastic, and lousy paint job. People dont care that my Z06 can rape a Lambo, its still a vette to them, different class.
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Sorry corvette is considered a sports car at over 40k units produced/year, in no way can it be consided an exotic , Camaro Muscle car, caddy luxury. Just because the ZR1 has exotic power doesnt make it an exotic, so I guess if I made a 1000hp Civic that turned 8's in the 1/4 it would be consideded an exotic?. Externally the ZR1 and Z06 still basically the same car as the base, with some different body panels. I don't know if you own a corvette, but even my insurance company classifies it as a sports car, it classifies my Viper as an exotic, where I think my Viper is more muscle car than exotic, although it looks right at home parked next to a Lambo, where my vette looks out of place, to much plastic, and lousy paint job. People dont care that my Z06 can rape a Lambo, its still a vette to them, different class.
But if you lived where it was rare to see a Civic, and it ran 8's, it would be considered an exotic.
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Sorry corvette is considered a sports car at over 40k units produced/year, in no way can it be consided an exotic , Camaro Muscle car, caddy luxury. Just because the ZR1 has exotic power doesnt make it an exotic, so I guess if I made a 1000hp Civic that turned 8's in the 1/4 it would be consideded an exotic?. Externally the ZR1 and Z06 still basically the same car as the base, with some different body panels. I don't know if you own a corvette, but even my insurance company classifies it as a sports car, it classifies my Viper as an exotic, where I think my Viper is more muscle car than exotic, although it looks right at home parked next to a Lambo, where my vette looks out of place, to much plastic, and lousy paint job. People dont care that my Z06 can rape a Lambo, its still a vette to them, different class.
to "them" doesn't really matter does it?

The ZR-1 will be possessed of exotic performance and I predict it will have a pretty exotic effect on the driver. Nothing like the 1000HP Civic.

Insurance Co. definitions? I deal with Insurance Cos all the time and I can tell you their jargon is carefully picked to screw everyone they can.

Either way, it will be an interesting ride.
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While everyone's definition of exotic is different, I do not place a corvette in the "exotic" market place. Just because it may be faster than those cars, does not make it one of those cars. I would gladly pay up big time, if I could afford it, for a 430 Scud versus a corvette. Just a different car and a different experience.
Buy a Lotus Elise/Exige. Quite the experience, At street legal speeds, the acceleration is not far off. The handling is great and the cost is not that bad. The milage is better. Very exotic, but not good is you are really heavy or not all that limber.

You will get all the looks that a Ferrari gets for a fraction of the cost.

What is your definition of an exotic?
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Show me 1 exotic with orange peel paint and show me a Corvette with the fit and finish of an exotic. Hand building and hand fitting a car is an art form not practiced on any GM car.
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Show me 1 exotic with orange peel paint and show me a Corvette with the fit and finish of an exotic. Hand building and hand fitting a car is an art form not practiced on any GM car.
Very good point, Ive had 4 vettes, white, navy blue metallic, sebring silver, and Black, the paint sucked on all of them(except the blue one a 2000 coupe), on my current Z06 this is literally a bowing Green workers hair stuck in the rear bumper, under the clear coat. The new C6's aren't any better. The obvious orange peel, but what bothers me more is how easy these cars scratch, the paint is cheap , and the clear coat is worse. I remember taking my 2000NBM, to a corvette gathering and the guys were asking me who painted it, cause it didn't look factory. My Viper is hand build at only 2000 units/ paint on it is immaculate. But this is where GM is going wrong with marking their cars from 80-100gs, the corvette has always been great performance at an affordable price, when they were priced in the 50's people couldnt complain as much about the paint, fit/finish, you cant have it all. But at 70-100gs, you shouldnt have the exact same paint as a cobalt. A person down the street from me has an orange cobalt, I know that GM changes the name, but if I was an owner of an Otomic Orange Corvette coupe or Z06, I would be pretty pissed that I had to pay a premium, for a paint that is on the cobalt.
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I agree that GM should put a higher level paint job on the ZR1 for the price. It would definitely help to make it more finished looking, as a good paint job does wonders for bringing the sense of quality out in a car.
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