So, after the last thread was destroyed by pointless arguing, we still never found out when GM gets to do it's testing. Does anyone have any info on when the test will happen?????
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My guess would be that they are waiting for ideal weather conditions to run it at the 'Ring. Most likely now that the spring is starting, they would have a good chance of getting both cool air and good traction.
I see no reason the ZR1 would need to wait that long but I see that as a backstop as they would want time to get it into the mags before the cars start delivery.
I see no reason the ZR1 would need to wait that long but I see that as a backstop as they would want time to get it into the mags before the cars start delivery.
So, after the last thread was destroyed by pointless arguing, we still never found out when GM gets to do it's testing. Does anyone have any info on when the test will happen?????
While I agree that the ZR1 has a lot of power, to portend that's it's dangerous (moreso than driving any high-HP car at highspeeds (near the edge) on a track) because of it's power levels or the fact it's RWD is a bit silly.
I would have to say that I do agree... Early to mid May seems like when it should start laying rubber down at the 'Ring. Anyone else?
No matter what you do, sending 650ftlb to the rear wheels of any car, especially on street tires will be challenging.
Why are you referring to the GTR when speaking of the ZR1. You do realize that the GTR is a "Grand Touring" car correct. Knowone has made these speculations except those who cant fathom a GTR running with a Z06! We know what the GTR is capable of. How about the ZR1? Your the same person who criticizes GTR "fanboys" for speculating times, track numbers, hp/torque numbers in spite of having vids, countless magazines and review articles. At the same time, your making countless accusations of what the ZR1 is capable with no proof whatsoever!
And you do realized that a ZR1 is not a track car??
The only thing the Piggy has on the Z06 is 0-60 because of it's awd.
ie. CAR "A" 620hp/595 ft.tq/3350lbs aprrox.
CAR "B" 505hp/470 ft.tq/3160lbs approx.
CAR "C" 480hp/460 ft.tq?/3800lbs approx.
Don't need a college degree to figure which cars are quicker??
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Originally Posted by 25psi
Why not? All three handle better than a vette. All three stop faster than a vette. Take each one to the track and I garuantee you it will be close. The only reason why they would lose is becuase of the straight aways. I take it you dont autocross much.
First off, don't even put the STI/EVO in the same catagory as the Lotus. Elise >> STI/EVO on track.
IMO, a standard vette with Z51 or some sort of upgraded suspension will > STI/EVO. Maybe not the Elise but the 2 awd will go down.
BTW, a standard C6 doesn't cost 2X over STI/EVO. And whether you lose by a fender or 5+ cars, it's still a lost.
Lets see here. C6: 400+hp, 32xxlbs?
STI/EVO: 300 hp, 3400-3500lbs?
See the pictures??
I totally agree about keeping the fanboy nonsense to a minimum here, but don't speak for everyone - I care about the GTR, STI and EVO. And they actually do compare on some levels to supercars. Try braking, handling, and horsepower per liter
HP per liter would be a good comparison if boost was left out. With boost, the effective size of the engine gets bigger with respect to how much gas is needed.
Rest not directed to anyone in particular...
Ultimately, is it really worse if an engine is 6.0L and gets 400 HP and 17/27 MPG vs a 3.0L twin turbo (or whatever) producing 330 HP (or whatever an STI has) with the additional luggage of a turbo, intercooler, etc etc? I'm not so sure. (This is not specific to any particular car, just an example.)
I have to hand it to GM, they make some top notch V8 engines that even though many people feel are dinosaurs are actually very refined and advanced (not in all cases) and the Vette V8 clearly shows this.
A basic normally aspirated V8 getting 17/27 MPG and getting 436 HP is a pretty fantastic accomplishment.
So, after the last thread was destroyed by pointless arguing, we still never found out when GM gets to do it's testing. Does anyone have any info on when the test will happen?????
Sometime between May 21st - June 7th or June 18th - July 1st.
Why not? All three handle better than a vette. All three stop faster than a vette. Take each one to the track and I garuantee you it will be close. The only reason why they would lose is becuase of the straight aways. I take it you dont autocross much.
OK, in your book, straightaways should be abolished because they do not add anything to a race. Since they don't favor your point, they should not be considered.
What is a race? Going around in circles (sorry NASCAR fans...)?
I love those arguments. How about we minimize the twisties and just have a lot of straightaways.
HP per liter would be a good comparison if boost was left out. With boost, the effective size of the engine gets bigger with respect to how much gas is needed.
Rest not directed to anyone in particular...
Ultimately, is it really worse if an engine is 6.0L and gets 400 HP and 17/27 MPG vs a 3.0L twin turbo (or whatever) producing 330 HP (or whatever an STI has) with the additional luggage of a turbo, intercooler, etc etc? I'm not so sure. (This is not specific to any particular car, just an example.)
I have to hand it to GM, they make some top notch V8 engines that even though many people feel are dinosaurs are actually very refined and advanced (not in all cases) and the Vette V8 clearly shows this.
A basic normally aspirated V8 getting 17/27 MPG and getting 436 HP is a pretty fantastic accomplishment.
Who cares if the 7.0 is physically smaller and lighter than the 3.0 with all that extra hardware attached. That's real technology. Multiple valves and overhead cams have been around just as long if not longer than pushrod engines.
Location: American in Germany 1 Hour to the ring fast
and you are here because ?
you have interest in Corvettes ? or are you just very loyal to a French owned company named Nissan
After living in Japan and Germany the Japanese consider their own sports cars last
and the Corvette has a small yet loyal following even at $100K us for 1 in Japan or Germany
You must admit that showing up on a Corvettte forum discussing EVOs, Lotus, and other lightweight cars all powered by Japanese made engines is a bit odd for someone not considering the purchase of a Corvette, or are you trying to save the world from Evil American cars ?
So do you prefer French owned Japanese cars?
As far as your Datsun comment, You may want to read about how
Datsun was named and more importantly why they would not use
the Nissan name
But even more read how Nissan (datsun) took a BMW 2000 to
Japan and reverse engineered (stole) it (Datsun 510) (raced one for a while, good car)
I live in Germany,own an 08 C-6 Z-51 and am waiting for delivery of a E93 M3
You are good at cutting and pasting track numbers to your advantage
I doubt (likely would bet on it) that you have not been near any of these tracks, (Bedford is pretty obscure)
Now I find it interesting that you have not been on the ring and
you can judge a car like the Corvette without any experience in
one you prove your foolishness
The two tracks you mention are very different and are not known as tier 1 tracks, both will favor
all wheel drive or mid engine drivetrains.
Your foolish fanboy antics are typical, I am not saying that the GTR will not be a great car
I have an MSRP Order placed in 05 that I will try the GTR
You are acting like you kind of like fanboy but of course you will not admit to that
As far as tracks go, answer the question ?
HAVE YOU SEEN OR DRIVEN ANY OF THEM THAT YOU MENTION ?
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Originally Posted by 25psi
UMMMMM I have a 03 cobra, 350z, 07 Tundra and 07 F250. If this puts me in the circle of a ricer, than be it! (It does)
Evo, Sti, Elise, etc... may not have supercar status, but they produce supercar numbers. I dont consider straight line as a form of status(although some might), but the overall performance package of those cars listed, far exceed cars costing 2x as much.
The biggest challenge will be to find a driver with the right name - Wolf, Lucas, Heiki, Blitz then its downhill from there. They will run the car for 3 months and post up the best time.
I have lived here in Germany since 2001...saw the Z06 after it was tested at the ring back in 05...
it all coincides with the cars arriving for the 24 hours at Le Mans race, which I also attend and talk to Tom Wallace every year (in 05 it was David Hill, who brought along Dick Guldstrand). They tend to always unveil/test the cars around this time as they all travel on the ship together...
It would be a good guess that the ZR-1 will be shown at Le Mans this year (June 15-16) and then tested at the ring shortly thereafter.
right now the weather is not bad in Germany, but definitely still rainy (its raining today).
One of my swiss friends has already ordered a ZR-1 through GM europe...they go for more than 200 grand here...his Z06 cost 122K euro..he then took it to Mallett to upgrade it before bringing it here.
My C5 Z06 comes off the boat next week..Ill drive by the ring and report any unusual sightings...
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ZR1 at the 'Ring - WHEN?
Who cares if the 7.0 is physically smaller and lighter than the 3.0 with all that extra hardware attached. That's real technology. Multiple valves and overhead cams have been around just as long if not longer than pushrod engines. 
