[Z06] Stunning C6 Z06 info!!!!
11-12-2004, 01:28 PM
#21
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Originally Posted by Shahul X
underrated sounds good.... I hate when a car is rated for like 240 hp and only puts 180 down on a Dyno...cough...RX8... lol
-shu
-shu
The same thing applied in that Evo MR vs. STi comparo a month ago.
Flywheel ratings:
Evo MR: 276hp
STi: 300hp
Actual to the wheels ratings:
Evo MR: 245hp
STi: 239hp
Just rate them for what they are, ya know?
11-12-2004, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by dmaccor
One thing missing in the info? price?????
Sounds great..and expensive!
Sounds great..and expensive!
I'm sorry, when Chevy's get into the 70k range, it's no longer affordable fun for me. You may as well just spend 100k.
It's better to place that cash into my 1999.
11-12-2004, 01:43 PM
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Matches what I was just about to post. Gotta love a forged crank and 6 bolt. It ain't gonna break! What a BEAST this thing will be!
From my man DJWorm over on Z06Vette.com:
From my man DJWorm over on Z06Vette.com:
0 -> 60 in 3.8 sec.
Top Speed 200 MPH
2,900 #'s
5.7 #'s/HP
Chassis & Suspension development by Pratt & Miller,
Aluminum Hydroformed frame produced by DANA
- 345/30x20 Rears
- 6 piston Front, 4 piston Rear Brake Calipers
- Cross Drilled (cast and camfered) Rotors (possibly Brembo)
Engine Development by KaTech
To be hand built by new HP Engine Plant
LS7 427ci/ 7.0L. 500HP/500 Ft Lbs (512 HP derated to 500HP)
- 2 OHV (3 OHV not necessary for target HP)
- Raced based CNC ported Aluminum Head with 70cc chambers
- 11.0:1 CR
- 46 mm (1.81") Titanium Intake valve
- 41 mm (1.61") Na filled Exhaust Valve
- 104.8 mm Bore (4.125") , 101.6 mm Stroke (4.0") Aluminum block
- Forgrd Crank
- Forged 6 bolt main Bearing Caps
- Titanium Rods
- Cast Aluminum Flat Top Pistons
- 0.591" Lift Cam (15 mm)
- Dry Sump
- 90 mm Throttle Body on Composite manifold
- Ram Air
Top Speed 200 MPH
2,900 #'s
5.7 #'s/HP
Chassis & Suspension development by Pratt & Miller,
Aluminum Hydroformed frame produced by DANA
- 345/30x20 Rears
- 6 piston Front, 4 piston Rear Brake Calipers
- Cross Drilled (cast and camfered) Rotors (possibly Brembo)
Engine Development by KaTech
To be hand built by new HP Engine Plant
LS7 427ci/ 7.0L. 500HP/500 Ft Lbs (512 HP derated to 500HP)
- 2 OHV (3 OHV not necessary for target HP)
- Raced based CNC ported Aluminum Head with 70cc chambers
- 11.0:1 CR
- 46 mm (1.81") Titanium Intake valve
- 41 mm (1.61") Na filled Exhaust Valve
- 104.8 mm Bore (4.125") , 101.6 mm Stroke (4.0") Aluminum block
- Forgrd Crank
- Forged 6 bolt main Bearing Caps
- Titanium Rods
- Cast Aluminum Flat Top Pistons
- 0.591" Lift Cam (15 mm)
- Dry Sump
- 90 mm Throttle Body on Composite manifold
- Ram Air
11-12-2004, 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by ivan111
Jim just reported in its thread that the price is going to be about 70k....
$70,000.....!!!!!! Thats $20 Grand more than an '04.................I can take an '04 and put LESS than than that in the motor and smoke the new Z06......and will before I pay THAT ridiculous amount of money..............
11-12-2004, 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by supervette64
70k 
im allitle disapointed, Chevy probably makes so much money on all the other cars, cant they afford to lower the price at least a little. oh well
im allitle disapointed, Chevy probably makes so much money on all the other cars, cant they afford to lower the price at least a little. oh well
11-12-2004, 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by VNAMVET
$70,000.....!!!!!! Thats $20 Grand more than an '04.................I can take an '04 and put LESS than than that in the motor and smoke the new Z06......and will before I pay THAT ridiculous amount of money..............
True...but you won't get the "performance cupholder"...
11-12-2004, 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by jvp
So let's hope GM uses cast (but don't hold your breath on that one...)
And why are there two different grilles and hoods shown?
Also, did anyone notice the hidden image-links all over the page?
11-12-2004, 09:26 PM
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70k might be somewhat expensive, but it's still great bang for your buck compared to it's competitors......
Count me in for one!!
Count me in for one!!
11-12-2004, 10:42 PM
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At $70k it's still probably the best "bang for the buck" car on the planet, but Chevrolet is nuts if they think a large number of people will shell out that kind of money for one of their cars. I don't care how awesome it is, at the end of the day it's still a Chevrolet(which means inferior quality compared to manufacturers like Lexus, BMW, Mercedes, Audi, etc). Hopefully MSRP is closer to $55-60k for the new Z which makes it a much more viable alternative to a lot of people.
11-12-2004, 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by BMadden
At $70k it's still probably the best "bang for the buck" car on the planet, but Chevrolet is nuts if they think a large number of people will shell out that kind of money for one of their cars. I don't care how awesome it is, at the end of the day it's still a Chevrolet(which means inferior quality compared to manufacturers like Lexus, BMW, Mercedes, Audi, etc). Hopefully MSRP is closer to $55-60k for the new Z which makes it a much more viable alternative to a lot of people.
If you want to compete against the world best, Porsche Carrera GT, Ford GT, 997 Turbo, Ferrari 430 etc you have to be willing to pay certain amount of money for that level of all around performance.....
All those nice things like aluminum frame, CF or Kevlar panels, titanium engine internals parts don't come cheap so to expect a car with all this stuff to be 52k is like living in the world of fantasy......
What car can you buy for 70k?
Maybe if you are lucky you can find a regular 997 at that price and that car doesn't has even half the performance of the Z nor all the expensive lightweight materials.......
For 70k you are going to have a car that approaches the level of performance of a Carrera GT that is consider by many as the best supercar in the world and that has a price of 450k.........
11-12-2004, 11:22 PM
#33
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Originally Posted by ivan111
The base C6 weight is 3,179 lbs so with the AL frame, non-runflat tires, titanium muffler, maybe a thinner glass and probably some Kevlar or CF panels it should be able to go below 3,000 lbs despite the bigger brakes, tires, wheels,stiffer structure and dry sump lubrication......
Todd
11-12-2004, 11:25 PM
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At $55-60k, the C6 Z06 a no brainer and will sell like hotcakes. At $70k+ people will start considering other alternatives(Viper, Carrera S, etc). I don't think GM/Chevy is stupid enough to price this car out of the range that their customers are used to, but then again they might go for the "exclusive" market and price the Z accordingly. I guess we'll know soon enough.
11-12-2004, 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted by WhiteDiamond
In the other C6 forum, owners are reporting true weight around 3225lbs. This are actual weights, so they differ from GMs curb weight usually, but 3,000lbs or less is going to be pushing it. I will give you CF for hood and fenders(probably more to try and reduce the current C5 Z06s front weight bias) and the dry sump could help shift weight rearward but will add weight, as you mention. The glass pretty much has to go to a composite or there will be no real weight savings available. I also seem to remember GM printing the C5 Z06 titanium system only saved 14lbs on that vehicle, so it is probably around 12lbs or less on the C6. Target appears to be 3100lbs without some composites in the side and rear windows(of which, it appears the much larger and heavier coupe rear glass is now being used instead of the much smaller and lighter FRC rear glass).
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If they use the Aluminum Frame that ALONE would cut at least 100 lbs of the C6 and probably that is a bit conservative.......
11-12-2004, 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by BMadden
At $55-60k, the C6 Z06 a no brainer and will sell like hotcakes. At $70k+ people will start considering other alternatives(Viper, Carrera S, etc). I don't think GM/Chevy is stupid enough to price this car out of the range that their customers are used to, but then again they might go for the "exclusive" market and price the Z accordingly. I guess we'll know soon enough.
The new Z with its lower weight should be quicker than the Viper and in handling the Viper doesn't even come close to the Z....
Same thing with the 997S the current C6 is quicker than the 997S....
So if you go for the 997S is because the badge and because it has a better interior........
11-12-2004, 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by ivan111
If they use the Aluminum Frame that ALONE would cut at least 100 lbs of the C6 and probably that is a bit conservative.
Yes, Al is lighter than steel. But it's also weaker, meaning you need to use more of it to get the same overall rigidity.
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11-13-2004, 12:02 AM
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Originally Posted by jvp
Love to know your source for that claim. Keep in mind: the steel frame rails aren't a significant contributor to the car's total mass. So how do you think "at least 100 lbs" will be saved in overall mass?
Yes, Al is lighter than steel. But it's also weaker, meaning you need to use more of it to get the same overall rigidity.
jas
Yes, Al is lighter than steel. But it's also weaker, meaning you need to use more of it to get the same overall rigidity.
jas
A ferrari Modena with a Steel frame would easily weigh in 100 lbs more......
The Aluminum Frame weight savings has been discussed many times in other threads in this forum......
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11-13-2004, 12:32 AM
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Originally Posted by VNAMVET
$70,000.....!!!!!! Thats $20 Grand more than an '04.................I can take an '04 and put LESS than than that in the motor and smoke the new Z06......and will before I pay THAT ridiculous amount of money..............
no joke.. and i'd be willing to bet you could opt for forged or hypereutectic pistons. TT 427 range.
anyone got a guess at rod length? i'd like to know the rod ratio. I wish they had gone with a larger bore/shorter stroke. guess we can't have it all. torque should be good!
11-13-2004, 02:07 AM
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70 k I happen to think is a very fair price for what you're getting. Same horsepower as a viper that costs 85k, and that car is a pig compared to this. Some people's expectations are absolutely outrageous, it MUST be 500 hp, it MUST beat the viper, and it MUST cost >60k. I understand some people can't afford 70k, I'm one of those people. But just because we can't afford it doesn't mean it isn't a fair price. I mean it's not fair to say you can take a C5 and mod it to make it faster. That's the case with just about any car. If it's just about drag racing then I'd get in a Cobra and mod the hell out of it and murder everything in sight. geesh, all anyone cares about is quarter mile.
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