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Old 06-15-2020, 12:44 PM
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Just saw an interesting story. General motors is now selling a new version of the LS7 as a crate motor. Specs are 570 hp and 540 lb-ft of torque. Dubbed the LS7/570. Its apparently modified with high rate valve springs, high lift cam, Z28 exhaust manifolds ,and here's the kicker.....new cylinder heads. Maybe fixed ones??

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Originally Posted by Landru
Not 'fixed', redesigned.
Catastrophic valve failure is due to it's poor design from '06 to '13 + Z28.
So now in the year of our Lord 2020, GM got around to redesigning 'em, huh.

Hey maybe these new heads will fit C6.
The problem with production LS7 heads is not a design issue.

It was a manufacturing quality control problem. Had Linamar, the company which did all machining on production LS7 heads, machined the heads to print, there never would have been a problem.
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Hmm I wonder if we can use that in a class action law suit that they even changed the cylinder heads on the new crate motor
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Originally Posted by SmilinSam
Just saw an interesting story. General motors is now selling a new version of the LS7 as a crate motor. Specs are 570 hp and 540 lb-ft of torque. Dubbed the LS7/570. Its apparently modified with high rate valve springs, high lift cam, Z28 exhaust manifolds ,and here's the kicker....new cylinder heads. Maybe fixed ones??
Not 'fixed', redesigned.
Catastrophic valve failure is due to it's poor design from '06 to '13 + Z28.
So now in the year of our Lord 2020, GM got around to redesigning 'em, huh.

Hey maybe these new heads will fit C6.

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Originally Posted by Landru
Not 'fixed', redesigned.
Catastrophic valve failure is due to it's poor design from '06 to '13 + Z28.
So now in the year of our Lord 2020, GM got around to redesigning 'em, huh.

Hey maybe these new heads will fit C6.
The problem with production LS7 heads is not a design issue.

It was a manufacturing quality control problem. Had Linamar, the company which did all machining on production LS7 heads, machined the heads to print, there never would have been a problem.
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7 years and they couldn’t figure that out in the time span can’t believe they were sold like this
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https://www.chevrolet.com/performanc...s/ls/ls427-570
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Ls7 with 116 cam
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Originally Posted by Hib Halverson
The problem with production LS7 heads is not a design issue. It was a manufacturing quality control problem. Had Linamar, the company which did all machining on production LS7 heads, machined the heads to print, there never would have been a problem.

It was more than that Hib. GM cheaped out on the TI intake valve stem finish too. There's been a ton of cases where geometry had been corrected and there's still been rapid guide wear due to the relatively abrasive valve stem finish. Tumbling the intake valves was a band-aide repair that never really fixed the real problem. That's the main reason that your buddy (lol) Katech replaces all OEM intake valves with their moly coated TI valves.
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Has a price been announced?
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Originally Posted by Hib Halverson
The problem with production LS7 heads is not a design issue.

It was a manufacturing quality control problem. Had Linamar, the company which did all machining on production LS7 heads, machined the heads to print, there never would have been a problem.
In the beginning valvetrain failures were attributed to a QC issue in manufacturing, and it may have been.
So what MY was this QC issue rectified?
Moreover, why is it all LS7 from '05-'13 have reported same issue?

I respect your 2 cents Hib, yet as a retired controls designer I recognize a faulty design.
Especially one w/ same MO over all years of LS7 production.
Had QC/manufacturing process been 'fixed' why'd the problem persist?

Many newcomers considering Z06/LS7 who're aware an issue exists w/ LS7 heads et al come here always asking the same question.
Paraphrased, 'Any MY LS7 where valve issue was rectified?'[/i][/i]
Same answer Hib, no.

All LS7s are subject to this failure, common sense dictates GM's designers got geometry wrong from get-go.
GM claims there's nothing whatsoever wrong w/ LS7 or its heads, what say you?

So if present design was OK why would you speculate GM redesigned heads for their 'new' LS7?


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Originally Posted by MarkC
Has a price been announced?
https://www.gmperformancemotor.com/parts/19420191.html

$12714.70
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Default LS7 N/A 750 hp

available in wet oil sump system only
...on the side note marine version is putting out 750 hp-N/A
DOHC 4valves per cylinder
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https://jalopnik.com/this-750-hp-ls7...l-s-1823828455

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Originally Posted by 4271sc
available in wet oil sump system only
...on the side note marine version is putting out 750 hp-N/A
DOHC 4valves per cylinder
link...
https://jalopnik.com/this-750-hp-ls7...l-s-1823828455

And on a side note HPR 468s are putting out 850+hp N/A. Not sure what that has to do with this.
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Interesting side note is on the Chevy performance website they recommend Mobil 1 15W50 engine oil for the LS7/570. My manual recommends Mobil 1 5W30 for the LS7. I don't know a lot about oil, but maybe because its a wet sump vs dry sump?
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im not sure if its true but i heard all euro spec Ls7 were filled with 0W40 from factory
as a matter of fact all z06/zr1 from 2019 on were filled w/ 0W40 in europe


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Originally Posted by Undy
It was more than that Hib. GM cheaped out on the TI intake valve stem finish too. There's been a ton of cases where geometry had been corrected and there's still been rapid guide wear due to the relatively abrasive valve stem finish. Tumbling the intake valves was a band-aide repair that never really fixed the real problem. That's the main reason that your buddy (lol) Katech replaces all OEM intake valves with their moly coated TI valves.
i thought it was the exhaust valves not the intake valves that had the issue. No one really knows. My guess is it either is a geometry issue in the design or user error when the driver is wringing it out in 3rd and shifts to 2nd instead of 4th causing a hard mechanical over rev. The car runs fine for quite a while and then kaboom. And the owner doesn’t remember the Wrong shift incident or blocks it out of their mind.

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I don't see anything that says the heads are new? Still using Ti 2.200 valves, LS7 ports...factory heads were also CNC.


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