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[Z06] Katech Track Attack Z06 SN#10 gets a rebuild

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Old 03-12-2015, 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Katech_Jason
What brought it in was water in the catch can. We found a cracked block. It's pretty common for this power level and road racing to do that at 18-24 hours. That is why all of our Track Attack packages have RHS blocks now. The bronze guides will outlast the engine.
Interesting. I hadn't heard that before. Thank you.

For us that's no time at all. 4 hours per event of track time by a single driver and just 5 events per season then almost every season you would need a new motor. Makes sense to go with the RHS blocks.

This will be next for my Wife's car.
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Originally Posted by Katech_Jason
What brought it in was water in the catch can. We found a cracked block. It's pretty common for this power level and road racing to do that at 18-24 hours. That is why all of our Track Attack packages have RHS blocks now. The bronze guides will outlast the engine.
Jason, has it become clear what happened first? Water in the catch can (e.g. due to a faulty gasket somewhere) that caused the block to crack, or was it the block that cracked first causing water to escape?
Old 03-12-2015, 02:32 PM
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Jason, has it become clear what happened first? Water in the catch can (e.g. due to a faulty gasket somewhere) that caused the block to crack, or was it the block that cracked first causing water to escape?
Cracked block leaking water. It was a small amount in the catch can and Jim caught it right away.
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Originally Posted by Katech_Jason
I think it was in the 20s but Jim should answer.



Bronze guides.
I'm sorry didn't make my question clear the heads that were out of spec where they stock heads....
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Originally Posted by RamAir972003
I'm sorry didn't make my question clear the heads that were out of spec where they stock heads....

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Originally Posted by Katech_Jason
What brought it in was water in the catch can. We found a cracked block. It's pretty common for this power level and road racing to do that at 18-24 hours. That is why all of our Track Attack packages have RHS blocks now. The bronze guides will outlast the engine.
Does GM know that the stock block is only good for 20 hours of track duty?

Their chief engineer recently confirmed that GM warranties these motor for track use !!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Originally Posted by Dirty Howie
Does GM know that the stock block is only good for 20 hours of track duty?

Their chief engineer recently confirmed that GM warranties these motor for track use !!!!!!!!!!!!!!


DH

18-24 hours at 600+ hp.

At 505hp it's not an issue. GM is racing stock LS7 blocks in the Continental Series GS Camaro Z28s.
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So basically warranty should not be denied if you track a stock z and z28...correct..
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Originally Posted by RamAir972003
So basically warranty should not be denied if you track a stock z and z28...correct..
I wouldn't think so.
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Cracked sleeve or something else?
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Sorry guys. It was a long trip home with the cops stopping me in Kentucky for side swiping a motor coach. They had me wait until the guy drove to us. All I had was a black mark on the RR of my trailer. When the guy finally showed up he had a tiny little scratch on his mirror! He then told the cops a truck beside him blew him into my trailer. It was such a small touch I never felt it. The coach driver called 911 and told the cops I side swiped him. Cops were great and after a delay all went on our way and the cops apologized.

The engine had about 22 track hours on it. I attend a lot of track events to give back to a sport that has given me so much. I don't take my car on track much. I am usually in others cars or providing information. I love wheel to wheel and do the HPDE to give back.

I noticed coolant going down and checked the ARE vent can. It had 2/3 oil and 1/3 coolant. Those situations don't get better. All gauges and temps were fine. It is smart to raise the hood after going on track and just take a quick look around. I still have a lot of very good parts from the old engine.

Thanks, Jason and Katech. One more fine job!

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Cracked sleeve or something else?
Yes, cracked sleeve.
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Originally Posted by Werks
It's well worth the money sending your car there, I did it twice lol! Best bet is arrange to ship it up a few months before track attack, have them do the build and take the car to the event, fly in, meet a whole new group of really cool people and run your own car on AutoBahn then have the car shipped home afterwards! Makes for not only a great upgrade to your car but an awesome mini-vacation as well!


How are you, Ron. Going to Track Attack, I hope?

Jim
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Originally Posted by Katech_Jason
We found a cracked block. It's pretty common for this power level and road racing to do that at 18-24 hours. That is why all of our Track Attack packages have RHS blocks now. The bronze guides will outlast the engine.
Wow that's and interesting note to be aware of. I think I should just buy a C7 Z06 after reading that.
Old 03-13-2015, 07:40 PM
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Congrats on your new build. Impressive #
Old 03-13-2015, 08:29 PM
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Could you please pm me a price for a project like this? I'm only 3 hours from you.

Thanks.
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Originally Posted by Katech_Jason
Yes, cracked sleeve.
Hey Jason, I presume there were at least a few cracked pistons as well?

Also was wondering about the change is connecting rod, is that done strictly for reliability purposes or is it more related to a length issue?

Have you seen many titanium rod failures as of now?

Cheers, Paul.

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Originally Posted by MTIRC6Z
Hey Jason, I presume there were at least a few cracked pistons as well?

Also was wondering about the change is connecting rod, is that done strictly for reliability purposes or is it more related to a length issue?

Have you seen many titanium rod failures as of now?

Cheers, Paul.
No cracked pistons.

We have not yet failed a Ti rod to date. Our Track Attack packages have steel rods by default, but not due to any reliability issues.
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Originally Posted by Katech_Jason
No cracked pistons.

We have not yet failed a Ti rod to date. Our Track Attack packages have steel rods by default, but not due to any reliability issues.
Interesting, as always, thanks for the info...you guys are the best

Cheers, Paul.
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Originally Posted by Katech_Jason
Yes, cracked sleeve.
Interesting to hear you guys are seeing sleeve failures at the power level you noted. I know that detonation is a killer, but continued high rpm use is somewhat of a surprise to me, even at the 650 flywheel hp range. What do you think is causing this to occur? Is there a particular problem cylinder, or area of the bore that is failing?


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