[Z06] Got a Halltech Super Bee II MF107R and a Tune Today!
11-06-2011, 01:00 PM
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Greetings to all! Coordinating w/Brian at Reckart for installation of the Livernois Motorsports Stage 2 LS7 Camshaft package on my 08 Z06. By no means am I mechanically inclined, never have been-never will be however Brian has guided me through the decision process. As for execution and explanation of tune/dyno, I will give Brian the lead.
Hope to update again soon....Jay
Hope to update again soon....Jay
11-06-2011, 02:13 PM
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Thanks Jim,
I appreicate all that info and I know these bad boy Zs will pull A LOT of timing and loose signficant power in stock trim/tune, and looks like a thermostat will be in my future.
What do you mean in your last sentence when you say "make sure your tuner can do a clean pull "without customer cue pressure."?
Does that mean not having the customer asking him a bunch of questions and distracting him when he is the middle of dyno sessions?
Also, what is the name of your Killer Bee and Beehive that you were selling 2 years ago for the C6 Z as that is the one I have. Is it simply called the Killer Bee and Beehive (I believe)?
I appreicate all that info and I know these bad boy Zs will pull A LOT of timing and loose signficant power in stock trim/tune, and looks like a thermostat will be in my future.
What do you mean in your last sentence when you say "make sure your tuner can do a clean pull "without customer cue pressure."?
Does that mean not having the customer asking him a bunch of questions and distracting him when he is the middle of dyno sessions?
Also, what is the name of your Killer Bee and Beehive that you were selling 2 years ago for the C6 Z as that is the one I have. Is it simply called the Killer Bee and Beehive (I believe)?
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11-06-2011, 04:43 PM
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Thanks Jim,
I appreicate all that info and I know these bad boy Zs will pull A LOT of timing and loose signficant power in stock trim/tune, and looks like a thermostat will be in my future.
What do you mean in your last sentence when you say "make sure your tuner can do a clean pull "without customer cue pressure."?
Does that mean not having the customer asking him a bunch of questions and distracting him when he is the middle of dyno sessions?
Also, what is the name of your Killer Bee and Beehive that you were selling 2 years ago for the C6 Z as that is the one I have. Is it simply called the Killer Bee and Beehive (I believe)?
I appreicate all that info and I know these bad boy Zs will pull A LOT of timing and loose signficant power in stock trim/tune, and looks like a thermostat will be in my future.
What do you mean in your last sentence when you say "make sure your tuner can do a clean pull "without customer cue pressure."?
Does that mean not having the customer asking him a bunch of questions and distracting him when he is the middle of dyno sessions?
Also, what is the name of your Killer Bee and Beehive that you were selling 2 years ago for the C6 Z as that is the one I have. Is it simply called the Killer Bee and Beehive (I believe)?
The tuner needs to spend a few hours or so, dedicated to your car, as in step tuning. They will attempt better timing, air fuel mix and find the sweet spot for your car. That costs more dyno time, but a tuner like Brian will take the time to explain everything and work on best power results for your specific application.
Many of our Halltech shops take this approach. Brian is in the spotlight right now, and deservedly so.
This was a Super Bee MF107R not a Killer Bee II. The owner, just mixed the two in his title.
So far, the Killer Bee II is the 1/4 mile bolt on champ, and the Super Bee MF107R the dyno king. That may soon change. Both use exactly the same monster K&N we designed.
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11-06-2011, 05:30 PM
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THanks Jim, yeah if I get it dyno tuned it will done the right way with the tuner spending several hours with the car on the dyno and road. 
What is the name of your Killer Bee and Beehive that you were selling 2 years ago for the C6 Z as that is the one I have. Is it simply called the Killer Bee and Beehive (I believe)? This would have been the first Killer Bee and Beehive that you sold for C6 Zs (is that the Killer Bee II or just Killer Bee and Beehive)?
What is the name of your Killer Bee and Beehive that you were selling 2 years ago for the C6 Z as that is the one I have. Is it simply called the Killer Bee and Beehive (I believe)? This would have been the first Killer Bee and Beehive that you sold for C6 Zs (is that the Killer Bee II or just Killer Bee and Beehive)?
11-06-2011, 05:38 PM
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THanks Jim, yeah if I get it dyno tuned it will done the right way with the tuner spending several hours with the car on the dyno and road.
What is the name of your Killer Bee and Beehive that you were selling 2 years ago for the C6 Z as that is the one I have. Is it simply called the Killer Bee and Beehive (I believe)? This would have been the first Killer Bee and Beehive that you sold for C6 Zs (is that the Killer Bee II or just Killer Bee and Beehive)?
What is the name of your Killer Bee and Beehive that you were selling 2 years ago for the C6 Z as that is the one I have. Is it simply called the Killer Bee and Beehive (I believe)? This would have been the first Killer Bee and Beehive that you sold for C6 Zs (is that the Killer Bee II or just Killer Bee and Beehive)?
11-06-2011, 06:12 PM
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What is interesting about the Dynapack from my experience is:
1) I dynoed 2 Corvette Grand Sport A6's and both dynoed within 1 hp of each other. One was 370 rwhp and the other was 371 rwhp. A6's loose ~ 65 rwhp and that is spot on.
2) I dynoed a Corvette C5 Z06 that was H/C. It dyoned 494 rwhp by the shop that installed the parts. I dynoed it on my dyno and put down 495 rwhp. Within 1 horsepower is really good.
3) I dynoed my Corvette LS3 on a Dynojet 224x and put down 392 rwhp. Once I purchased the dyno, I dynoed my Corvette and it put down 394 rwhp.
4) Dyoned a 2009 G8GT and it put down 294 rwhp and is right where it should be.
5) Dynoed a 2010 Camaro SS LS3 and it put down 368 rwhp is stock trim. Manuals loose ~ 55 rwhp.
Those are a few examples of cars that I have experience with and tire slippage is a non issue.
1) I dynoed 2 Corvette Grand Sport A6's and both dynoed within 1 hp of each other. One was 370 rwhp and the other was 371 rwhp. A6's loose ~ 65 rwhp and that is spot on.
2) I dynoed a Corvette C5 Z06 that was H/C. It dyoned 494 rwhp by the shop that installed the parts. I dynoed it on my dyno and put down 495 rwhp. Within 1 horsepower is really good.
3) I dynoed my Corvette LS3 on a Dynojet 224x and put down 392 rwhp. Once I purchased the dyno, I dynoed my Corvette and it put down 394 rwhp.
4) Dyoned a 2009 G8GT and it put down 294 rwhp and is right where it should be.
5) Dynoed a 2010 Camaro SS LS3 and it put down 368 rwhp is stock trim. Manuals loose ~ 55 rwhp.
Those are a few examples of cars that I have experience with and tire slippage is a non issue.
11-06-2011, 06:45 PM
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Installed the MF103 on my 2007 Z06 and the idle is smooth as glass @ 600rpm,the car is more responsive,and my in town fuel mileage has been the best since I've had the car,a great product that does what it's supposed to do.
11-06-2011, 08:11 PM
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I have a dozen or so that have shown +33 to +34 RWHP with the Super Bee and tuning. Brian must have the tuning part of it dialed in.
The bigger the demand at the motor, the more power you will see from our Super Bee MF103 or 107R.
This dyno has actually eclipsed even the Super Bee CF112 numbers we have seen. Carbon fiber has no real advantage over plastic other than a lb or so in weight loss.
Congratulations.
The bigger the demand at the motor, the more power you will see from our Super Bee MF103 or 107R.
This dyno has actually eclipsed even the Super Bee CF112 numbers we have seen. Carbon fiber has no real advantage over plastic other than a lb or so in weight loss.
Congratulations.
HUGE! Wow to that dyno.
This is the Super Bee MF107R not the Killer Bee II. The Super Bee shows bigger numbers on the dyno than the Killer Bee II with proper tuning, as you can see.
The Beehive on the drivers side needs to be pushed inward to clear the radiator pin holding it out.
Wow.
This is the Super Bee MF107R not the Killer Bee II. The Super Bee shows bigger numbers on the dyno than the Killer Bee II with proper tuning, as you can see.
The Beehive on the drivers side needs to be pushed inward to clear the radiator pin holding it out.
Wow.
I sold the KB II to another forum member without ever installing it. Thanks for the heads up on the beehive. I'll fix it as soon as I get home.
Greetings to all! Coordinating w/Brian at Reckart for installation of the Livernois Motorsports Stage 2 LS7 Camshaft package on my 08 Z06. By no means am I mechanically inclined, never have been-never will be however Brian has guided me through the decision process. As for execution and explanation of tune/dyno, I will give Brian the lead.
Hope to update again soon....Jay
Hope to update again soon....Jay
Thanks Jim,
I appreicate all that info and I know these bad boy Zs will pull A LOT of timing and loose signficant power in stock trim/tune, and looks like a thermostat will be in my future.
What do you mean in your last sentence when you say "make sure your tuner can do a clean pull "without customer cue pressure."?
Does that mean not having the customer asking him a bunch of questions and distracting him when he is the middle of dyno sessions?
Also, what is the name of your Killer Bee and Beehive that you were selling 2 years ago for the C6 Z as that is the one I have. Is it simply called the Killer Bee and Beehive (I believe)?
I appreicate all that info and I know these bad boy Zs will pull A LOT of timing and loose signficant power in stock trim/tune, and looks like a thermostat will be in my future.
What do you mean in your last sentence when you say "make sure your tuner can do a clean pull "without customer cue pressure."?
Does that mean not having the customer asking him a bunch of questions and distracting him when he is the middle of dyno sessions?
Also, what is the name of your Killer Bee and Beehive that you were selling 2 years ago for the C6 Z as that is the one I have. Is it simply called the Killer Bee and Beehive (I believe)?
Thanks Big Mike!
11-06-2011, 09:10 PM
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Obviously, this car was tuned. My Jason at Lucky's Speed. We have dozens of dynos showing a +33 to +34 RWHP gain with the Super Bee and tuning where the unit was carbon fiber. Our SBCF112, had to have tuning due to the larger inlet at the MAF read.
This dyno is the first done with our tuner's version of the Super Bee in plastic. It has 107mm read area vs. the 1st Gen Killer Bee 98mm.
11-06-2011, 10:03 PM
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I've only owned the car since mid September. I bought it used with just over 20K miles on it from a CarMax dealership. To my knowledge, it was bone stock prior to these upgrades.
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Thanks Jim, I have some top LS7 tuners in the Chicago area who usually get 30rwhp with cai a tune, and one likes to run a lower thermostat, which I am inclined to do. Can I get your thoughts on running a cooler t stat given my minimal mods and with a tune of course. Thank you Jim!!
Since I recently bought a brand new leftover '10 Z, I have the full warranty left on the car which makes it very difficult for me right now to cross over that huge line in the sand and do a tune which would void my powertrain warranty. Sooo, I left the ecm alone and installed a manual fan override system which I control via a rocker switch located where the cig lighter used to be. When I see the water temps at 210, I activate the manual system which very quickly gets temps back under 200.
Given the way the Halltech is designed to keep IATs lower, plus my manual fan override, I believe that I can offset much of the factory predisposition to quickly pull timing. At least I THINK, I am doing this!
11-07-2011, 12:30 PM
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I am running the Halltech Super Bee (MF102?) carbon version which looks just killer, and feels pounds lighter than the stock intake. I also changed out to a 160 degree thermo, but the thermo in of itself, will not be much of a help. I did also add two bottles of Redline waterwetter, which may or may not help a bit. The fans need to come on earlier to take advantage of the tstat, and you can do this via a tune or take another approach.
Since I recently bought a brand new leftover '10 Z, I have the full warranty left on the car which makes it very difficult for me right now to cross over that huge line in the sand and do a tune which would void my powertrain warranty. Sooo, I left the ecm alone and installed a manual fan override system which I control via a rocker switch located where the cig lighter used to be. When I see the water temps at 210, I activate the manual system which very quickly gets temps back under 200.
Given the way the Halltech is designed to keep IATs lower, plus my manual fan override, I believe that I can offset much of the factory predisposition to quickly pull timing. At least I THINK, I am doing this!
Since I recently bought a brand new leftover '10 Z, I have the full warranty left on the car which makes it very difficult for me right now to cross over that huge line in the sand and do a tune which would void my powertrain warranty. Sooo, I left the ecm alone and installed a manual fan override system which I control via a rocker switch located where the cig lighter used to be. When I see the water temps at 210, I activate the manual system which very quickly gets temps back under 200.
Given the way the Halltech is designed to keep IATs lower, plus my manual fan override, I believe that I can offset much of the factory predisposition to quickly pull timing. At least I THINK, I am doing this!
11-07-2011, 12:56 PM
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Gary breaks all records with the Super Bee MF107R
60'.............1.382
330'...........4.173
660'...........6.470
660’ mph...107.39
1000'..........8.447
1320'..........10.100
1320’ mph…138.31
BOLT ONS ONLY
This car, as most of you already know, just took back the bolt on only record. We sent him the same Super Bee MF107R tuner version (same as dynoed here) that was installed on this Z06 for big dyno numbers. His previous 10.16 record was with the Killer Bee II onboard.
Translation? Size matters and big numbers on the dyno can break track records as well.
Sorry to highjack your thread, but this is for those that doubt the numbers.
Jim
330'...........4.173
660'...........6.470
660’ mph...107.39
1000'..........8.447
1320'..........10.100
1320’ mph…138.31
BOLT ONS ONLY
This car, as most of you already know, just took back the bolt on only record. We sent him the same Super Bee MF107R tuner version (same as dynoed here) that was installed on this Z06 for big dyno numbers. His previous 10.16 record was with the Killer Bee II onboard.
Translation? Size matters and big numbers on the dyno can break track records as well.
Sorry to highjack your thread, but this is for those that doubt the numbers.
Jim
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