jvp

Right. Tires are such the fashion accessory these days....

Get real.

jas

Jimmy Z

AirBusPilot

Fashion or not, how a tire looks can be important to many people. I like a tire that looks "right". And I wouldn't want a tire that looks thinner than stock. Would you?

jvp

The tire is to serve a single set of functions that have to do with its grip and internal suspension characteristics (yes, your tires are a part of the car's suspension). As long as they serve those functions, and are black in color, I don't give a rat's *** what they look like.

Those that are concerned with how one tire looks compared to another have, in my opinion, their performance priorities all f*cked up.

I say again: get real.

jas

JoesC5

There are millions of people that care how a tire looks on their car. That doesn't mean they don't care about performance. Give me two tires with equal performance, and I'll choose the one that looks better(to me) on my car.

I just installed the Bridgestone RE050A RFT's and I think they look great on my Z06. Great sidewall design, great tread design and the wide look. The OEM Goodyear's also looked good, but the Bridgestone has other features I'm looking for.

When I had my C5, I installed the Michelin A/S ZP's. I did not care for the look of the Michelin's that much, but I was willing to overlook that in favor of the improved performance that the Michelin's gave me over the OEM Goodyear's. But, I would have preferred that the Michelin's looked better then they did.

AirBusPilot

lol, sure.

jvp

Phenomenal rebuttal.

Carry on.

jas

musclecar6

Got the PS2 ZP's installed on my 10 GS LPE Maggie supercharged vette today. Replaced the OEM Gen 1 runflats ( total junk Imho). The Michelins don't tramline like the Goodyears do constantly trying to follow every line in the road heading left & right needing corrections. PS2's are smoother & less noisy. In all respects a far superior tire. Well worth the money. I guess there is a good reason why the PS2 ZP is OEM on the ZR1 & Z06/Z07( my 06 C6/A6/F55 with LPE Maggie supercharger also has the PS2 ZP tires I had put on 4 months ago & the results are the same. First rate tire all the way. When I had my 08Z, I replaced the OEM Goodyear junk as well with the PS2's although non run flat & they delivered awesome performance as well). I'll leave the good "deals" on all the cheaper tires to the super thrifty crowd.

AirBusPilot

Thanks! I accept your apology.

3 Z06ZR1

Ps-2's equal overrated. I had two sets so I know!
One reason I like my Invo's! They work fine in 33 degree's.
They work great in the rain.

cbgpe

I never lost control of my Z had any handling problems I could not easily deal with the PS 2 ZP. BUT the performance of the tires especially braking when cold was a real issue. You can drive as gently as you want but if you have to do emergency braking for a child running out into the road or the like the abysmal cold performance is unacceptable. I am sure the PS 2 ZP is a great tire for what it was optimized for but for what I do it is not a good fit.
My new set of PP are here they go on tomorrow and the PS2 ZP are waiting for the call tag from the tire rack when they come off the car

ockie

What an amazing rebuttal you have here....


I wonder why you bought a corvette, it certainly is not for the looks according to you.... maybe you should get hub caps



Some people are hilarious... they will blindly defend something and attack others simply because thats what they blindly use.



Fashion accessory, lmfao, too funny

ockie

Exactly what you said here. When the performance metrics match and it's a matter of looks, most certainly I am going to go then for looks.

Also, when you can potentially get more miles and save 600+ to boot, it's a no brainer.

jschindler

Are you talking about the PS2 ZP? I'm not even convinced we know which Michelins the OP is talking about either. No where does he say if they were the ZP's or the earlier non-ZP which was made in the 345 size, but not 325.

I have the newer PS2 ZP (which btw don't say PS2 anywhere on them). The coldest I have driven them is in the 40's. I've been very pleased with them. In cooler weather they still broke lose as just about any tire will in cold weather.

With the temps around 70 last weekend they did not break lose at all in second gear. My factory Goodyears always broke lose in second gear.

Even in cooler weather (upper 50s) I've seen 1.00 G in the curves with them and they felt great.

jvp

Hell has yet to freeze over; you've received no such apology from me yet. I encourage you to hold your breath while you wait for it though.

Hm. I see what I'm working with here. At no point did I say the car can't look good. Of course I appreciate the looks of the Corvette. I'm not really sure how you read what I posted and comprehended it as: I can't appreciate a car's beauty.

Tires are a set of 4 ablative chunks of rubber whose single goal in life is to be destroyed, bit by bit, on roads or race tracks. They're not a fashion accessory. They're a functional one. The wheels can be both a fashion and functional accessory. The tires are not. They're simply there to live and die in a slow but hopefully productive manner by keeping the car glued to the road.

Is English a second language for you? I'm not sure I can quite grok that statement. I'm going to take a stab at it and say it in a slightly different manner, please correct me if I'm wrong:

"..they will blindly defend a product and attack others who don't use that product."

Is that basically what you were trying to say? If so, know that I'm not defending any product here. For all out summer performance, the Michelin PS2s can't be topped by anything Bridgestone makes for the road. Can you argue that point? Read it CAREFULLY before you attempt to, please.

Now, that said, I fully understand that there are other performance, and cost(!) reasons for picking a different tire. Perhaps the performance in this case is: you want something that'll last a bit longer. Hey, no sweat there. I'm all over that. Remember the old Firestone Firehawk SZ50s? I quickly trashed the Goodyears on my C4 and replaced them with Firehawks. Loved 'em. Remember the Firehawk SZ50 Run-Flats? Did the same thing with those on my C5 after the F1s died.

(Psst... Firestone == Bridgestone...)

What about track time? Do you think I use my supposed "blindly defended" PS2s on the track? Oh hell no. R-compounds all the way. Because I don't need to worry about them lasting as long, nor do I need to worry about getting a flat tire. Or a quieter and softer, more compliant ride.

You have no idea what my understanding is of tires. So don't attempt to attack me for a lack of knowledge and "blind defense". Trust me, m'boy, you haven't clue one here.

Fine. But the performance metrics here DON'T match, depending on which performance metrics you're looking at. Such as: dry grip, wet grip, cold grip, ride comfort (hard to quantify that one), overall tire life, etc.

jas

AirBusPilot

^
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUwwx...layer_embedded

danbo56

How are the New Goodyear F-1 RFT's? Overall, are they bettyer than the older gen?

redzone

You're wasting your breath Jim.....he must have been picked on as a child by a french kid,he never misses an opportunity to trash Michelins and sing the virtues of the Invo.

ockie

You clearly stated that you're not in it for looks, so which is it now?

... And when performance is the same... why would you settle for the one that looks uglier and takes away from the aggressive stance plus save some money and you can run in colder weather?


Actually, it's one of the 5 languages I can fluently speak. How many do you speak? I love it when people bash your English but they are unable to speak anything else.

I read it CAREFULLY If you're looking at driving on public roads only on warm/hot days, do not care what your tire looks like, get less mileage, and are willing to spend over $600 more... then I will FULLY AGREE with you


So we can agree with this.


Firestone? Big deal. There is goodyear, known to be a great company but obviously produced **** for us... every tire company has garbage out there, some more than others. I'm sure I can find a garbage bridgestone somewhere too.


Sure sure.


No they don't match, the Bridgestones are better overall.



I'm done in this thread, I provided some actual information, you did not besides your fashion comments (I'm sure if we're in a fashion forum we would care what fashion critiques you have). I've ran with both tires and seen both tires side by side, so I can actually give some input. I decided with the PP's because I feel that they are better over all, the benefits are hard to ignore when the performance is virtually the same. I would prefer to take a better looking tire when the performance metrics is the same, especially when I saved $600 to boot. Had the PS2's been $600 cheaper than the bridgestones, I would have had to sit down and think about it for a long time (because now it would be looks over price).


Us Z06 drivers love our cars for it's performance and it's LOOKS. If we wanted more performance and less looks, there would have been other options out there (think Ariel Atom 500 for example). To say looks do not matter, well, I do not know what to tell you..


Do not bother quoting or responding to my post, as it's the last time I'm posting in here. It's time to move onto another subject.