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Old 06-24-2009, 01:14 AM
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So I havent even gotten my car back yet from the final tweaks and a buddy of mine already has a friend that wants to run it....on a closed course of course. So all I know is its a heavily modded new GTR with 719 rwhp wants to run me in my 660 rwhp and 600 tq SC Z. I know GTR's are heavier, I know they have that launch assist thing that would probably kill me off the line. But what do you think from a roll?

I havent had a good challenge like this in a long time and I think itll be close but figured Id throw it out there. I still have to put in my meth which will add alittle but im doing it more for safety and cooling than power.
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the rule of thumb is 10 rwhp to equal every 100 lbs of weight. the z06 weighs in at 3150 and the gtr weighs in at 3800 that is 650 lbs. at 10 hp per 100 you would need to be no less then 65rwhp behind him. and you seem to be at about 60 rwhp behind so it would be a drivers race, whoever hits the gas first or whoever gets off the line first.
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Originally Posted by Fast06Z06
So I havent even gotten my car back yet from the final tweaks and a buddy of mine already has a friend that wants to run it....on a closed course of course. So all I know is its a heavily modded new GTR with 719 rwhp wants to run me in my 660 rwhp and 600 tq SC Z. I know GTR's are heavier, I know they have that launch assist thing that would probably kill me off the line. But what do you think from a roll?

I havent had a good challenge like this in a long time and I think itll be close but figured Id throw it out there. I still have to put in my meth which will add alittle but im doing it more for safety and cooling than power.
well i raced a GTR with 580rwhp 3 weeks ago.. and killed him.. he was crying like a little bitch for 20 minutes.. i had him from 20mph-140 by 10 cars and still pulling...

i do have 80rwhp on him ..


from a roll.. you will take him

from a dig.... unless you can get 2.9 0-60.. you will have your hands full...
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did he pull his front axles to dyno?
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That GT-R cannot have 719 awhp! There is a limit of 21-22lbs of boost with the Cobb Acessport and until the Haltech system is available thats the only game in town! No secret sause there. The most anyone is going to see is around 600awhp on 93 oct and maybe around 650awhp with race gas tune. I'll let you know were doing mine this week. This guy is inflating his numbers or is misinformed. Lots of BS going on in the GT-R community as far as making big power claims by some of the hacker shops right now, but the big numbers are coming soon.

If your running a SC on your Z06 I think you will take him from a roll but it may be close if he gets the jump on you from a dig if the car is lets say running a more realistic 600-625awhp. I'm taking my cam and header Z06 to the track along with the GT-R and doing a side by side run with me driving the GT-R and my son in the Z06. Should be a close one. We'll post some videos soon.

Good luck and be safe!

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i think hennessey claimed that he dynoed 700+rwhp when he disconnected his front axles. i have no idea what that coverts to in awhp.
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Originally Posted by Wanderer Z06
That GT-R cannot have 719 awhp! There is a limit of 21-22lbs of boost with the Cobb Acessport and until the Haltech system is available thats the only game in town! No secret sause there. The most anyone is going to see is around 600awhp on 93 oct and maybe around 650awhp with race gas tune. I'll let you know were doing mine this week. This guy is inflating his numbers or is misinformed. Lots of BS going on in the GT-R community as far as making big power claims by some of the hacker shops right now, but the big numbers are coming soon.
I heard from someone in Hawaii with a GTR that he has 800 whp. And that his Cobb built GTR has Jun internals with some kind of Trans upgrade. It's the dude with the Mobile 1 GTR from last years sema. He also said that his car ran 10.3 or something. If so.. that's impressive.
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i think hennessey claimed that he dynoed 700+rwhp when he disconnected his front axles. i have no idea what that coverts to in awhp.
Yeah he is running almost the same set up that I'm running and I can telll you that number is not real.. he is probably like I said at about 600 -630awhp which is not shabby and should be good for a sub 11 sec run with traps in the low 130's on 93. He is heavier than we are since I have some weight reduction on mine which I hope gets us the GT-R record " Without the use of Launch control" currently the record is 10.721 @ 132.930.

My cam and header Z06 has run a best of 10.9 @ 131.70 on bald RF's so it should be a very close match up at the track.

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I heard from someone in Hawaii with a GTR that he has 800 whp. And that his Cobb built GTR has Jun internals with some kind of Trans upgrade. It's the dude with the Mobile 1 GTR from last years sema. He also said that his car ran 10.3 or something. If so.. that's impressive.
All that Awhp and a 10.3.That is pretty sad, Rattq on here got high 9's out of his Z,motor only.Sounds like GT-r bench racing again.
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The GTR is not exactly a compact sports car.
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Originally Posted by Rsky
I heard from someone in Hawaii with a GTR that he has 800 whp. And that his Cobb built GTR has Jun internals with some kind of Trans upgrade. It's the dude with the Mobile 1 GTR from last years sema. He also said that his car ran 10.3 or something. If so.. that's impressive.

I think that is the MVP GT-R that ran a 10.31 @ 131.75mph with Launch control, race gas and a CCW drag pack for wheels. He cut a 1.55 60 ft that didn't hurt any also. He has the record for now as the fastest but I don't think it will last to much longer.

Here is the video of that run

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAgMm...layer_embedded

I still think a Z06 with a SC, a good driver and some good tires will edge out a GT-R with this set up.

JMO
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Originally Posted by Luweegy
All that Awhp and a 10.3.That is pretty sad, Rattq on here got high 9's out of his Z,motor only.Sounds like GT-r bench racing again.
in drag racing, awd is only an advantage on street tires

it is a big disadvantage in this case
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Originally Posted by kumar75150
in drag racing, awd is only an advantage on street tires

it is a big disadvantage in this case


I think the Z06 is a much better platform for drag racing than a GT-R. With that said a guy like Rattq ( Mitch) is the only one to get high 9's out of his cam, header and heads Z06. Most run in the low 11's to mid 10's.

Where the GT-R shines is on a road course. Just got back from Autobahn CC for the Redline Time Attack and there was one GT-R with only suspension, exhaust, tires and tune that ran a 1.33 which took second place in the modified class with a good driver but not a pro by any means. Mine had to much HP and just overpowered the track without suspension, track tires and brake pad upgrades, it was like driving a freakin drifting car! The crap RF's were squealing like a stabbed pig! Sure made me see that you can have all the hp in the world but if you can't get it to the ground what good is having it. I need to do more upgrades fast!
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Thanks for the all the feedback guys. Good news for me haha! Also just heard from Redline last nite and they made one final pull on my car while it was still strapped to the dyno from the day before just for consistency and to check the tune one last time before pulling it for road tuning. Got the car warm enough to make first pull............... it pulled off 696 rwhp and 623 rwtq! basically cause car was nice and cool, IAT were cool and it was the first pull of the day. Last 660 was after repeated pulls with minimum cooling.

Shows my car is a consistent 660 with more in it if I let it cool. This is gonna be a good once so long as I get traction. Hopefully I can represent for us guys, wish me luck, wont happen for a week or two as im in CA right now and not getting my car back till tuesday next week.
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Fast06ZO6 Are you sure his car have 700+rwhp its really hard to that with GTR The highest we've build here made 620rwhp (we removed the driveshaft on the dyno)

with this power from 20mph roll (not the best spot for ZO6)

620rwhp GTR vs 480rwhp Headers/exhaust/intake C6 ZO6
GTR only one by 2 cars until 150mph after that ZO6 started catching up but didnt beat him.

So thats 140rwhp Diffrence IMO you should kill him from 20mph roll or higher if you can drive but from a dig you better have a really good tires and you can launch that thing.


Oh pm some vids after you race.
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sorry.. wasn't cobb GTR.. It was the bulletproof GT-R

http://gt-rr.com/gt-r/r35/_gt-rr_dem...part_2/pid/464

Dude said his car is making 800 whp or something.

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Fast06ZO6 Are you sure his car have 700+rwhp its really hard to that with GTR The highest we've build here made 620rwhp (we removed the driveshaft on the dyno)

with this power from 20mph roll (not the best spot for ZO6)

620rwhp GTR vs 480rwhp Headers/exhaust/intake C6 ZO6
GTR only one by 2 cars until 150mph after that ZO6 started catching up but didnt beat him.

So thats 140rwhp Diffrence IMO you should kill him from 20mph roll or higher if you can drive but from a dig you better have a really good tires and you can launch that thing.


Oh pm some vids after you race.
I dont know for sure. This is what I was told but havent verified it. We shall see if its for real. i know mine is. Hes from NY.
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Originally Posted by jerseydrew
the rule of thumb is 10 rwhp to equal every 100 lbs of weight. the z06 weighs in at 3150 and the gtr weighs in at 3800 that is 650 lbs. at 10 hp per 100 you would need to be no less then 65rwhp behind him. and you seem to be at about 60 rwhp behind so it would be a drivers race, whoever hits the gas first or whoever gets off the line first.
rule of thumb applies if said cars have the same gearing, aero, drag, etc...I would not go by this....
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Originally Posted by jerseydrew
the rule of thumb is 10 rwhp to equal every 100 lbs of weight. the z06 weighs in at 3150 and the gtr weighs in at 3800 that is 650 lbs. at 10 hp per 100 you would need to be no less then 65rwhp behind him. and you seem to be at about 60 rwhp behind so it would be a drivers race, whoever hits the gas first or whoever gets off the line first.
I don't think that this rule of thumb makes any sense at all.

It's very simple. the Z06 is carrying 4.77 lbs per hp while the GTR is carrying 5.29 lbs per hp.

No contest in terms of power...the GTR is at a 10% disavantage.


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