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[Z06] GM Dealer Hydrolocked my motor doing an Oil Change
10-21-2008, 03:32 PM
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St. Jude Donor '09
UPDATE: 10-21-2008 12pm PST
Update from GM HQ:
I recived a call from GM HQ stating that the Service manager with the dealer may not meet my dead line for Wednesday as he feels that he is unable to get a GM off sight tech in to look at the motor, and than goes on to say to the GM HQ rep that the motor must be fine........... " it now turns over " , the dealer is now offing compinsation if I chose, like another warrente.
At this point I have made it clear to the GM HQ rep. that my mind is made up. Wednesday is my dead line, and I want a new Motor, oil tank, oil lines, and oil cooler. Even the Top Motor builders here on this forum state the motor is Junk............
Thank you GM HQ for your help in this matter.
I will take no less!
Chris
Update from GM HQ:
I recived a call from GM HQ stating that the Service manager with the dealer may not meet my dead line for Wednesday as he feels that he is unable to get a GM off sight tech in to look at the motor, and than goes on to say to the GM HQ rep that the motor must be fine........... " it now turns over " , the dealer is now offing compinsation if I chose, like another warrente.
At this point I have made it clear to the GM HQ rep. that my mind is made up. Wednesday is my dead line, and I want a new Motor, oil tank, oil lines, and oil cooler. Even the Top Motor builders here on this forum state the motor is Junk............
Thank you GM HQ for your help in this matter.
I will take no less!
Chris
10-21-2008, 03:42 PM
#142
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UPDATE: 10-21-2008 12pm PST
Update from GM HQ:
I recived a call from GM HQ stating that the Service manager with the dealer may not meet my dead line for Wednesday as he feels that he is unable to get a GM off sight tech in to look at the motor, and than goes on to say to the GM HQ rep that the motor must be fine........... " it now turns over " , the dealer is now offing compinsation if I chose, like another warrente.
Chris
Update from GM HQ:
I recived a call from GM HQ stating that the Service manager with the dealer may not meet my dead line for Wednesday as he feels that he is unable to get a GM off sight tech in to look at the motor, and than goes on to say to the GM HQ rep that the motor must be fine........... " it now turns over " , the dealer is now offing compinsation if I chose, like another warrente.
Chris
It turns over, but does it run? What did they do to it?
10-21-2008, 04:09 PM
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Former Vendor
UPDATE: 10-21-2008 12pm PST
Update from GM HQ:
I recived a call from GM HQ stating that the Service manager with the dealer may not meet my dead line for Wednesday as he feels that he is unable to get a GM off sight tech in to look at the motor, and than goes on to say to the GM HQ rep that the motor must be fine........... " it now turns over " , the dealer is now offing compinsation if I chose, like another warrente.
At this point I have made it clear to the GM HQ rep. that my mind is made up. Wednesday is my dead line, and I want a new Motor, oil tank, oil lines, and oil cooler. Even the Top Motor builders here on this forum state the motor is Junk............
Thank you GM HQ for your help in this matter.
I will take no less!
Chris
Update from GM HQ:
I recived a call from GM HQ stating that the Service manager with the dealer may not meet my dead line for Wednesday as he feels that he is unable to get a GM off sight tech in to look at the motor, and than goes on to say to the GM HQ rep that the motor must be fine........... " it now turns over " , the dealer is now offing compinsation if I chose, like another warrente.
At this point I have made it clear to the GM HQ rep. that my mind is made up. Wednesday is my dead line, and I want a new Motor, oil tank, oil lines, and oil cooler. Even the Top Motor builders here on this forum state the motor is Junk............
Thank you GM HQ for your help in this matter.
I will take no less!
Chris
Have them bring in thier personal lawn mower. Put about 10 quarts of oil in it. Pull the handle like crazy until the mower starts. Then wait until it locks up. Then drain the oil and pull the spark plug. Pull some more and get the extra oil out of the combustion chamber. Fill back up to the full mark. Fire it up and hand it back to them. It's "fine" tell them. Now add about 65k to the price of that lawn mower.
Randy
10-21-2008, 04:14 PM
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10-21-2008, 04:33 PM
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Have them bring in thier personal lawn mower. Put about 10 quarts of oil in it. Pull the handle like crazy until the mower starts. Then wait until it locks up. Then drain the oil and pull the spark plug. Pull some more and get the extra oil out of the combustion chamber. Fill back up to the full mark. Fire it up and hand it back to them. It's "fine" tell them. Now add about 65k to the price of that lawn mower.
Randy
Randy
10-21-2008, 05:37 PM
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10-21-2008, 05:54 PM
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To get the full inspection of the engine and it's parts. The guys would have to pull it down and start measuring. Which would mean 10times the time it would take to reinstall a new engine. Crankshafts are super strong, but lay one down on a bench sideways will put a bend in it. The amount of damage is unknown and will never be known. Engines and the rotation of parts need to flow well. Any stoppage in there is very hard on them. Maybe not right now but how about 10k miles, or 20k a rod bearing gets knocked out. Sure they want to add to his warrenty. But if he installs a computer tune, headers, or airbox, camshaft, then SOL. Customer brought a prefect running LS7, leaves with a LS7 that became a oil tanker for a unknown amount of time, would be junk in my eyes.
Good luck again.
Randy
10-21-2008, 05:54 PM
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P.S. I doubt the lawn mower has the same crankcase ventilation as the LS7
10-21-2008, 05:55 PM
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St. Jude Donor '08
UPDATE: 10-21-2008 12pm PST
Update from GM HQ:
I recived a call from GM HQ stating that the Service manager with the dealer may not meet my dead line for Wednesday as he feels that he is unable to get a GM off sight tech in to look at the motor, and than goes on to say to the GM HQ rep that the motor must be fine........... " it now turns over " , the dealer is now offing compinsation if I chose, like another warrente.
At this point I have made it clear to the GM HQ rep. that my mind is made up. Wednesday is my dead line, and I want a new Motor, oil tank, oil lines, and oil cooler. Even the Top Motor builders here on this forum state the motor is Junk............
Thank you GM HQ for your help in this matter.
I will take no less!
Chris
Update from GM HQ:
I recived a call from GM HQ stating that the Service manager with the dealer may not meet my dead line for Wednesday as he feels that he is unable to get a GM off sight tech in to look at the motor, and than goes on to say to the GM HQ rep that the motor must be fine........... " it now turns over " , the dealer is now offing compinsation if I chose, like another warrente.
At this point I have made it clear to the GM HQ rep. that my mind is made up. Wednesday is my dead line, and I want a new Motor, oil tank, oil lines, and oil cooler. Even the Top Motor builders here on this forum state the motor is Junk............
Thank you GM HQ for your help in this matter.
I will take no less!
Chris
to expect all that since it would be impossible for those components to become damaged during whatever happened. You may be "Vette-less" if not willing to budge over this one. All they are required to do is make the car like it was before the tech boned it. I wonder what he thinks about the deadline since the ball is in their court.
I am not trying to be a smart a$$, but being rational may make things move along faster.
10-21-2008, 06:10 PM
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10-21-2008, 06:12 PM
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I picked up a Kawasaki Vulcan 2000 Classic motorcycle that was at least 2 qt. overfilled. The engine has a dry sump oil system. The access oil ended up in the air filter which has an overflow design. Only oil vapor got sucked into the motor. The liquid oil simply drained out of the air filter housing.
I cleaned up the oil spill, drained the oil, put the right amount of oil in it and all is fine.
Not sure what would have happened if it was overfilled by more than 2 qt. At some point it would have hydrolocked, too.
Did I mention that thing got some monster torque?
I cleaned up the oil spill, drained the oil, put the right amount of oil in it and all is fine.
Not sure what would have happened if it was overfilled by more than 2 qt. At some point it would have hydrolocked, too.
Did I mention that thing got some monster torque?
10-21-2008, 06:13 PM
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If you are lucky that motor is going to start and sound like it's about to self destruct..that will get you a replacement engine. But....if the motor starts and appears to sound normal and exhibits normal driveability with normal oil pressure then you are going to have a fight on your hands to get GM to replace the motor. I think that bill is in the $15k plus area for a new replacement GM Z06 installed. If the motor doesn't sound like it's about to grenade...at best, you'll walk away with an apology and maybe some extended warranty to mitigate your concerns IMHO.
10-21-2008, 06:51 PM
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I suggested it because you made some claim to know something about it.
You said: "i doubt it would lock up more likely blow out the breather or past a crank shaft seal or blow off a plastic dip stick"
Besides, I already "tried" that experiment with the bike (see post above).
You said: "i doubt it would lock up more likely blow out the breather or past a crank shaft seal or blow off a plastic dip stick"
Besides, I already "tried" that experiment with the bike (see post above).
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10-21-2008, 07:14 PM
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we dont know it ran/ do the lawn mower overfill with the lawnmower repair guy not on a z06 is what it means.we have very little facts and bringing in briggs/stratton ,*** crap mini bikes,jet boats only clouds the issue
10-21-2008, 07:22 PM
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Jon,
The motor did fire.
Hence the oil in the cylinders. I may have not metioned the motor " firing " I think through reason and deduction we all here have come to the " firing " conclusion................
I know 6 pages is alot to read. It's a good read, and yes I understand why you would post what you did, and I thank you for pointing this out. But again, there is oil in the cylinders because the motor did fire and filled the intake up with oil down into the motor and than hydrolocked. Remember the tech was working on my car for 2 hours and that included an oil change so I can not atest what happend when I was not back there for those 2 hours. All I can tell you is YES the service manager said YES your C6 Z06 motor is hydrolocked because the tech did not follow the right protocall to change the oil.
I hope this takes out any confusion in the 6 pages
Chris
The motor did fire.
Hence the oil in the cylinders. I may have not metioned the motor " firing " I think through reason and deduction we all here have come to the " firing " conclusion................I know 6 pages is alot to read. It's a good read, and yes I understand why you would post what you did, and I thank you for pointing this out. But again, there is oil in the cylinders because the motor did fire and filled the intake up with oil down into the motor and than hydrolocked. Remember the tech was working on my car for 2 hours and that included an oil change so I can not atest what happend when I was not back there for those 2 hours. All I can tell you is YES the service manager said YES your C6 Z06 motor is hydrolocked because the tech did not follow the right protocall to change the oil.
I hope this takes out any confusion in the 6 pages
Chris
since you obviously missed this part I repeat it for you. Maybe this time you can see it.
I wish people would actually read AND comprehend a thread before they chime in with their stupidity!