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[Z06] GM Dealer Hydrolocked my motor doing an Oil Change
#61
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Hydro means water and doesn't really apply here.
So.. I'm inventing a new word.
Petrolocked.
So.. I'm inventing a new word.
Petrolocked.
#62
Melting Slicks
Up here in the great white north we have a lot of hydro-electric production facilities.
So if electricity is produced by fossil fuels maybe we should call them petro-electric production facilities
Cheers, Paul.
So if electricity is produced by fossil fuels maybe we should call them petro-electric production facilities
Cheers, Paul.
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Wil Cooksey #256
One guy checked his oil when it was cold, no oil on dipstick. He added two quarts to the sump and the engine did hydrolock, or petrolock. The oil was forced from the sump to the TB and sucked into the cylinders. Spark plugs were removed to remove oil and compression check done. Engine was not damaged. And that was from over filling the dry sump.
It is possible that the "tech" came from another dealership and has never seen an LS7. I have my oil changed at a local dealership, maybe I will reconsider.
It is possible that the "tech" came from another dealership and has never seen an LS7. I have my oil changed at a local dealership, maybe I will reconsider.
#65
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Hydraulic applies to any fluid, as in an oil-powered hydraulic cylinder, for example. Or a hydrostatic transmission?
You can hydraulically lock a piston with water, oil, gas. It doesn't matter.
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#67
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If they fuc*** up this bad, I think you should tell us where this happened.
I'm sorry - if you dont know a dry sump system when you see one - you don't need to be a tech. The worst part? The egotistical bastard was too full of himself to look it up in the manual.
I'm no auto pro and took me all of 2 minutes to understand how a dry sump system worked. Its just common sense!
GAH! Annoying...
I'm sorry - if you dont know a dry sump system when you see one - you don't need to be a tech. The worst part? The egotistical bastard was too full of himself to look it up in the manual.
I'm no auto pro and took me all of 2 minutes to understand how a dry sump system worked. Its just common sense!
GAH! Annoying...
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#70
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Frank,
Good to hear from you old friend! The dealer in Delray Beach FL is the best. But because I'm now in San Diego CA I have to now find a " great " dealer.
So How do I like San Diego? Well first off the folks that live here are so nice and laid back. That is a BIG plus comming from Delray beach and 90 year olds. The ladys are hot, and the weather is the best. Other than that I'm real happy about our move. At my age most would not just leave a state after 19 years and start over. To me it's the best move at this point in our life.
Chris
Good to hear from you old friend! The dealer in Delray Beach FL is the best. But because I'm now in San Diego CA I have to now find a " great " dealer.
So How do I like San Diego? Well first off the folks that live here are so nice and laid back. That is a BIG plus comming from Delray beach and 90 year olds. The ladys are hot, and the weather is the best. Other than that I'm real happy about our move. At my age most would not just leave a state after 19 years and start over. To me it's the best move at this point in our life.
Chris
Talk to you soon.
Frank
#72
Drifting
This is an easy fix.
Have the dealer put everything back together, fill the oil tank with eight quarts of Mobil 1.
Then have the dealer tow the car to the crest of Palomar Mountain. You should be able to see about 80 mph coasting back down the mountain. Put it 3rd get, let the clutch out and bump start it. That will either free it up or put a rod through the block. Then you would get you new engine.
Good luck with GM, Chevy and your local dealer and it's master technician service dept.
Have the dealer put everything back together, fill the oil tank with eight quarts of Mobil 1.
Then have the dealer tow the car to the crest of Palomar Mountain. You should be able to see about 80 mph coasting back down the mountain. Put it 3rd get, let the clutch out and bump start it. That will either free it up or put a rod through the block. Then you would get you new engine.
Good luck with GM, Chevy and your local dealer and it's master technician service dept.
#73
UPDATE 10-17-08 Friday 12:56 PST
Thank you all for your kind words and input.
GM HQ called me back today and has now put my case file in to Bigger hands per say. I requested this today. It's good to stand on BIG shoulders and to know the right folks. Thanks GM for helping me out. Just so you all know this is NOT covered under warrentee as it is NOT a problem with the car failing. It is the dealer that will have to replace the motor under what ever means thay need. So again. GM HQ is following along with a close eye to see what the dealer intends to do. So that is the update with GM. To my friends at GM. Thank you for taking my call today!!
Update on the dealer:
I want to make this clear that at this point I will not disclose the name of the dealer. Unless I feel the need to do so and I hope most of you can understand. I need to give the Service manager and Owners the oppertunity to do the right thing and replace my motor with a new 2008 C6 Z06 motor.
So with that said this is what the Service manager and I talked about. Pertaining to the C6 Z06 Hydrolocked motor. The SM said YES the tech did NOT follow the right way to change oil on a C6 Z06. YES the motor did in fact Hydrolock. YES the tech made this happen. YES all the spark plugs have been pulled. YES there was oil in ALL the cylenders, confirming again the motor was infact Hydrolocked.
We talked about alot of things. The SM is one hell of a stand up guy. But the fact of the matter as I agreed with him is the tech locked my motor up, no questions there. It is what it is.
So in closing:
I said to the SM vary nicely, the dealer has untill Wednesday October 22, 2008. At this time thay will come to a conclution on what thay will do on there end. The SM knows with conviction I WILL NOT TAKE MY CAR BACK UNLESS THE MOTOR IS REPLACED WITH A 2008 C6 Z06 MOTOR.
Again, the service manager and I talked about alot of things. Both the Srvice Manager and the Service Write are both stand up guys. Really. I like them both. But what happed to the love of my life ( my C6 Z06 ) is just uncalled for and I hold no accountability to The Service Manager or the Service Writer. The Tech created this and we will leave it at that.
I will keep you all up to date and Please again understand my disposition with with holding the dealers name.
Thank you
Chris - the guy with a hydrolocked C6 Z06 Motor
Thank you all for your kind words and input.
GM HQ called me back today and has now put my case file in to Bigger hands per say. I requested this today. It's good to stand on BIG shoulders and to know the right folks. Thanks GM for helping me out. Just so you all know this is NOT covered under warrentee as it is NOT a problem with the car failing. It is the dealer that will have to replace the motor under what ever means thay need. So again. GM HQ is following along with a close eye to see what the dealer intends to do. So that is the update with GM. To my friends at GM. Thank you for taking my call today!!
Update on the dealer:
I want to make this clear that at this point I will not disclose the name of the dealer. Unless I feel the need to do so and I hope most of you can understand. I need to give the Service manager and Owners the oppertunity to do the right thing and replace my motor with a new 2008 C6 Z06 motor.
So with that said this is what the Service manager and I talked about. Pertaining to the C6 Z06 Hydrolocked motor. The SM said YES the tech did NOT follow the right way to change oil on a C6 Z06. YES the motor did in fact Hydrolock. YES the tech made this happen. YES all the spark plugs have been pulled. YES there was oil in ALL the cylenders, confirming again the motor was infact Hydrolocked.
We talked about alot of things. The SM is one hell of a stand up guy. But the fact of the matter as I agreed with him is the tech locked my motor up, no questions there. It is what it is.
So in closing:
I said to the SM vary nicely, the dealer has untill Wednesday October 22, 2008. At this time thay will come to a conclution on what thay will do on there end. The SM knows with conviction I WILL NOT TAKE MY CAR BACK UNLESS THE MOTOR IS REPLACED WITH A 2008 C6 Z06 MOTOR.
Again, the service manager and I talked about alot of things. Both the Srvice Manager and the Service Write are both stand up guys. Really. I like them both. But what happed to the love of my life ( my C6 Z06 ) is just uncalled for and I hold no accountability to The Service Manager or the Service Writer. The Tech created this and we will leave it at that.
I will keep you all up to date and Please again understand my disposition with with holding the dealers name.
Thank you
Chris - the guy with a hydrolocked C6 Z06 Motor
Last edited by TFAST4U; 10-17-2008 at 04:47 PM.
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#74
Melting Slicks
If they fuc*** up this bad, I think you should tell us where this happened.
I'm sorry - if you dont know a dry sump system when you see one - you don't need to be a tech. The worst part? The egotistical bastard was too full of himself to look it up in the manual.
I'm no auto pro and took me all of 2 minutes to understand how a dry sump system worked. Its just common sense!
GAH! Annoying...
I'm sorry - if you dont know a dry sump system when you see one - you don't need to be a tech. The worst part? The egotistical bastard was too full of himself to look it up in the manual.
I'm no auto pro and took me all of 2 minutes to understand how a dry sump system worked. Its just common sense!
GAH! Annoying...
Since the dealer was in San Diego was the Master Mech's name Jose?
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However, this was some time back. I dont believe the same guys are there so I've not taken the Z over there (do all my own stuff). They also filed for Chapter 11 two weeks ago...
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UPDATE 10-17-08 Friday 12:56 PST
Thank you all for your kind words and input.
GM HQ called me back today and has now put my case file in to Bigger hands per say. I requested this today. It's good to stand on BIG shoulders and to know the right folks. Thanks GM for helping me out. Just so you all know this is NOT covered under warrentee as it is NOT a problem with the car failing. It is the dealer that will have to replace the motor under what ever means thay need. So again. GM HQ is following along with a close eye to see what the dealer intends to do. So that is the update with GM. To my friends at GM. Thank you for taking my call today!!
Update on the dealer:
I want to make this clear that at this point I will not disclose the name of the dealer. Unless I feel the need to do so and I hope most of you can understand. I need to give the Service manager and Owners the oppertunity to do the right thing and replace my motor with a new 2008 C6 Z06 motor.
So with that said this is what the Service manager and I talked about. Pertaining to the C6 Z06 Hydrolocked motor. The SM said YES the tech did NOT follow the right way to change oil on a C6 Z06. YES the motor did in fact Hydrolock. YES the tech made this happen. YES all the spark plugs have been pulled. YES there was oil in ALL the cylenders, confirming again the motor was infact Hydrolocked.
We talked about alot of things. The SM is one hell of a stand up guy. But the fact of the matter as I agreed with him is the tech locked my motor up, no questions there. It is what it is.
So in closing:
I said to the SM vary nicely, the dealer has untill Wednesday October 22, 2008. At this time thay will come to a conclution on what thay will do on there end. The SM knows with conviction I WILL NOT TAKE MY CAR BACK UNLESS THE MOTOR IS REPLACED WITH A 2008 C6 Z06 MOTOR.
Again, the service manager and I talked about alot of things. Bother the Srvice Manager and the Service Write are both stand up guys. Really. I like them both. But what happed to the love of my life ( my C6 Z06 ) is just uncalled for and I hold no accountability to The Service Manager or the Service Writer. The Tech created this and we will leave it at that.
I will keep you all up to date and Please again understand my disposition with with holding the dealers name.
Thank you
Chris - the guy with a hydrolocked C6 Z06 Motor
Thank you all for your kind words and input.
GM HQ called me back today and has now put my case file in to Bigger hands per say. I requested this today. It's good to stand on BIG shoulders and to know the right folks. Thanks GM for helping me out. Just so you all know this is NOT covered under warrentee as it is NOT a problem with the car failing. It is the dealer that will have to replace the motor under what ever means thay need. So again. GM HQ is following along with a close eye to see what the dealer intends to do. So that is the update with GM. To my friends at GM. Thank you for taking my call today!!
Update on the dealer:
I want to make this clear that at this point I will not disclose the name of the dealer. Unless I feel the need to do so and I hope most of you can understand. I need to give the Service manager and Owners the oppertunity to do the right thing and replace my motor with a new 2008 C6 Z06 motor.
So with that said this is what the Service manager and I talked about. Pertaining to the C6 Z06 Hydrolocked motor. The SM said YES the tech did NOT follow the right way to change oil on a C6 Z06. YES the motor did in fact Hydrolock. YES the tech made this happen. YES all the spark plugs have been pulled. YES there was oil in ALL the cylenders, confirming again the motor was infact Hydrolocked.
We talked about alot of things. The SM is one hell of a stand up guy. But the fact of the matter as I agreed with him is the tech locked my motor up, no questions there. It is what it is.
So in closing:
I said to the SM vary nicely, the dealer has untill Wednesday October 22, 2008. At this time thay will come to a conclution on what thay will do on there end. The SM knows with conviction I WILL NOT TAKE MY CAR BACK UNLESS THE MOTOR IS REPLACED WITH A 2008 C6 Z06 MOTOR.
Again, the service manager and I talked about alot of things. Bother the Srvice Manager and the Service Write are both stand up guys. Really. I like them both. But what happed to the love of my life ( my C6 Z06 ) is just uncalled for and I hold no accountability to The Service Manager or the Service Writer. The Tech created this and we will leave it at that.
I will keep you all up to date and Please again understand my disposition with with holding the dealers name.
Thank you
Chris - the guy with a hydrolocked C6 Z06 Motor
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In my opinion, if it hydrolocked from cranking it won't be damaged...the engine at least, not sure about the catalytic converter.
Drain all the oil, refill, crank without the plugs to get the oil out of the cylinders, replace the sealed valve cover plug after removing and inspecting the valve cover and restart.
If the engine runs and the compression checks out then insisting on a new engine may be a bit much, but an extended warranty from the dealer is definately in the cards.
Drain all the oil, refill, crank without the plugs to get the oil out of the cylinders, replace the sealed valve cover plug after removing and inspecting the valve cover and restart.
If the engine runs and the compression checks out then insisting on a new engine may be a bit much, but an extended warranty from the dealer is definately in the cards.
#78
Wil Cooksey #256
I understand your predicament and wouldn't want to bad mouth them either since it seems like they're willing to work with you to resolve the situation and if they get wind of you talking negatively about them things could get difficult. Providing the name, however, would help others who "might" bring their beloved Z06's to an ill trained shop from suffering the same tragedy.
#79
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This is the first place I would now take my Z06 in for an oil change. You don't think these techs have been put through the ringer on training on how to change oil in a new Z06?
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Ok, so agreed. They are all now trained on proper procedure for changing oil for an LS7. Still is useless if we don't know where this place is.