[ZR1] ZR-1 and GM's futures
10-09-2008, 08:46 PM
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ZR-1 and GM's futures
Okay, so I have been hearing a lot of things about GM and the Corvette's future, as everyone has. Here is what I heard:
1) New Vette is pushed back to 2013 due to budget constraints
2) V6 may be the base engine
3) Mid engine design dropped (don't care about this, but it's a bad sign due to the reason)
to me that is kind of scary for the Corvette, because clearly GM is having trouble and making cut backs. The Vette is not a big seller and not an economy car, therefore, not where GM needs to concentrate.
So what does this mean for the ZR-1 volumes and the future of the Corvette?
1) Will the ZR-1 be made to 2013, at 1800 cars per year, or will it still be dropped after 2010?
2) I am concerned that the Corvette quality will continue to drop in the name of budget cuts, a direction they can't go. I have had a 93, 99, 04 and 08 and after the peek of the 99 in quality, I have seen it progressively drop since. This alone could be trouble for future sales. Thoughts?
3) A V6 Corvette would dilute the brand, I really hope to not see that ever happen. Am I alone?
1) New Vette is pushed back to 2013 due to budget constraints
2) V6 may be the base engine
3) Mid engine design dropped (don't care about this, but it's a bad sign due to the reason)
to me that is kind of scary for the Corvette, because clearly GM is having trouble and making cut backs. The Vette is not a big seller and not an economy car, therefore, not where GM needs to concentrate.
So what does this mean for the ZR-1 volumes and the future of the Corvette?
1) Will the ZR-1 be made to 2013, at 1800 cars per year, or will it still be dropped after 2010?
2) I am concerned that the Corvette quality will continue to drop in the name of budget cuts, a direction they can't go. I have had a 93, 99, 04 and 08 and after the peek of the 99 in quality, I have seen it progressively drop since. This alone could be trouble for future sales. Thoughts?
3) A V6 Corvette would dilute the brand, I really hope to not see that ever happen. Am I alone?
10-09-2008, 08:53 PM
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I think I would have to agree with you. I felt the same way when the base engine for the STS became a V6. It was the beginning of the end for the STS. The delays and lack of information about even the current production of the ZR1 is not healthy, and many are going to get tired of waiting.
10-09-2008, 09:05 PM
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I think I would have to agree with you. I felt the same way when the base engine for the STS became a V6. It was the beginning of the end for the STS. The delays and lack of information about even the current production of the ZR1 is not healthy, and many are going to get tired of waiting.
10-09-2008, 09:14 PM
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Okay, so I have been hearing a lot of things about GM and the Corvette's future, as everyone has. Here is what I heard:
1) New Vette is pushed back to 2013 due to budget constraints
2) V6 may be the base engine
3) Mid engine design dropped (don't care about this, but it's a bad sign due to the reason)
to me that is kind of scary for the Corvette, because clearly GM is having trouble and making cut backs. The Vette is not a big seller and not an economy car, therefore, not where GM needs to concentrate.
So what does this mean for the ZR-1 volumes and the future of the Corvette?
1) Will the ZR-1 be made to 2013, at 1800 cars per year, or will it still be dropped after 2010?
2) I am concerned that the Corvette quality will continue to drop in the name of budget cuts, a direction they can't go. I have had a 93, 99, 04 and 08 and after the peek of the 99 in quality, I have seen it progressively drop since. This alone could be trouble for future sales. Thoughts?
3) A V6 Corvette would dilute the brand, I really hope to not see that ever happen. Am I alone?
1) New Vette is pushed back to 2013 due to budget constraints
2) V6 may be the base engine
3) Mid engine design dropped (don't care about this, but it's a bad sign due to the reason)
to me that is kind of scary for the Corvette, because clearly GM is having trouble and making cut backs. The Vette is not a big seller and not an economy car, therefore, not where GM needs to concentrate.
So what does this mean for the ZR-1 volumes and the future of the Corvette?
1) Will the ZR-1 be made to 2013, at 1800 cars per year, or will it still be dropped after 2010?
2) I am concerned that the Corvette quality will continue to drop in the name of budget cuts, a direction they can't go. I have had a 93, 99, 04 and 08 and after the peek of the 99 in quality, I have seen it progressively drop since. This alone could be trouble for future sales. Thoughts?
3) A V6 Corvette would dilute the brand, I really hope to not see that ever happen. Am I alone?
10-10-2008, 07:22 AM
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I think I would have to agree with you. I felt the same way when the base engine for the STS became a V6. It was the beginning of the end for the STS. The delays and lack of information about even the current production of the ZR1 is not healthy, and many are going to get tired of waiting.
I especially agree about people getting tired of waiting and having to pay over MSRP. As of today, I'm still waiting to even order one. I have my Z06 pretty much sold. All I hear is how GM is losing money and market share. Yet, I'm hear waiting to give them 115K.
As for the STS, styling was a major issue with me. I wanted an STSV, but ended up with an Audi S6. I may look at the new CTSV, if I don't take a big hit getting rid of the S6. I might actually get one, that's if GM decides to actually make enough to sell people.
10-10-2008, 08:39 AM
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Remember that the GM Grand National motor is arguably the best production perfomance motor built(and that was 20 years ago). Technology is so advanced, they can easily make a 400-500 HP V-6. I would worry more about the housing and banking markets before I worry about what GM is doing 5 years from now.
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10-10-2008, 09:27 AM
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Remember that the GM Grand National motor is arguably the best production perfomance motor built(and that was 10 years ago). Technology is so advanced, they can easily make a 400-500 HP V-6. I would worry more about the housing and banking markets before I worry about what GM is doing 5 years from now.
10-10-2008, 09:31 AM
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Remember that the GM Grand National motor is arguably the best production perfomance motor built(and that was 10 years ago). Technology is so advanced, they can easily make a 400-500 HP V-6. I would worry more about the housing and banking markets before I worry about what GM is doing 5 years from now.
They built Grand Nationals in 1998? Time must really be slipping past you
10-10-2008, 09:32 AM
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You have to admit that the 89 Turbo Trans Am with the 3.8 was a fast car and if it actually got traction, it was really fast. My 91 GMC Syclone with the turbo 4.3 was fast too and with the AWD had instant hook-up. The point about turbo lag however is true. With today's technology, what could they do with these engines?
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10-10-2008, 10:56 AM
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10-10-2008, 11:04 AM
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GM's stock, of which I own thousands of shares is around $5 a share after standards and poors degraded them. As taxpayers we are sick of "bailouts" and I doubt the average person will want to give more to GM (to "bail" them out).
This occurs within the context of a world crisis, the likes of which we have not seen since the great depression (which are just words to most of us). More important are two things, the first is a debt of around $10 trillion owed to "foriegners" which means more and more "others" have a say in our fate, and the all but imminent coronation of one Barrack Obama who is a Socialist and wants to steal from the rich and enable those not willing or able to contribute to get (our) fare share.
I have and could cite examples of gloom and doom, but suffice it to say that if we were running GM in this context, would you continue investing in a low volume high cost item? We need to view transportation very differently, which does not mean we cannot develop electric, solar, or alternative fuel "hot rods", but as went the carburator so goes the internal combustion motor (just a matter of a few more years). The "value" of a ZR1 or a Ferrari, will not be its "bling" factor, but more a piece of nostalgia. Best
This occurs within the context of a world crisis, the likes of which we have not seen since the great depression (which are just words to most of us). More important are two things, the first is a debt of around $10 trillion owed to "foriegners" which means more and more "others" have a say in our fate, and the all but imminent coronation of one Barrack Obama who is a Socialist and wants to steal from the rich and enable those not willing or able to contribute to get (our) fare share.
I have and could cite examples of gloom and doom, but suffice it to say that if we were running GM in this context, would you continue investing in a low volume high cost item? We need to view transportation very differently, which does not mean we cannot develop electric, solar, or alternative fuel "hot rods", but as went the carburator so goes the internal combustion motor (just a matter of a few more years). The "value" of a ZR1 or a Ferrari, will not be its "bling" factor, but more a piece of nostalgia. Best
10-10-2008, 11:08 AM
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GM's stock, of which I own thousands of shares is around $5 a share after standards and poors degraded them. As taxpayers we are sick of "bailouts" and I doubt the average person will want to give more to GM (to "bail" them out).
This occurs within the context of a world crisis, the likes of which we have not seen since the great depression (which are just words to most of us). More important are two things, the first is a debt of around $10 trillion owed to "foriegners" which means more and more "others" have a say in our fate, and the all but imminent coronation of one Barrack Obama who is a Socialist and wants to steal from the rich and enable those not willing or able to contribute to get (our) fare share.
I have and could cite examples of gloom and doom, but suffice it to say that if we were running GM in this context, would you continue investing in a low volume high cost item? We need to view transportation very differently, which does not mean we cannot develop electric, solar, or alternative fuel "hot rods", but as went the carburator so goes the internal combustion motor (just a matter of a few more years). The "value" of a ZR1 or a Ferrari, will not be its "bling" factor, but more a piece of nostalgia. Best
This occurs within the context of a world crisis, the likes of which we have not seen since the great depression (which are just words to most of us). More important are two things, the first is a debt of around $10 trillion owed to "foriegners" which means more and more "others" have a say in our fate, and the all but imminent coronation of one Barrack Obama who is a Socialist and wants to steal from the rich and enable those not willing or able to contribute to get (our) fare share.
I have and could cite examples of gloom and doom, but suffice it to say that if we were running GM in this context, would you continue investing in a low volume high cost item? We need to view transportation very differently, which does not mean we cannot develop electric, solar, or alternative fuel "hot rods", but as went the carburator so goes the internal combustion motor (just a matter of a few more years). The "value" of a ZR1 or a Ferrari, will not be its "bling" factor, but more a piece of nostalgia. Best
Five years from now we may all be talking about how our old Corvette stacks up against the Tesla.
10-10-2008, 12:23 PM
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The Corvette survived the oil embargo of the 1970's with reductions in HP and it will do so again. If its a turbo v6 or what ever, people will still buy it.
GM and the Corvette will survive!
GM and the Corvette will survive!