MYVetteBy25

If the GT-R was made by Ford or Dodge there would not be nearly as much animosity towards it. Some of you close-minded folks should just be honest and say you hate it because it's Japanese

3 Z06ZR1

My bet is, withsome better rubber on the Z.
It's a different story,our stock runflats are not a track tire.

'06 Quicksilver Z06

Indeed, but before the GTR cheering section jumps you for pointing out the tire difference, never mind that the Z06 covered the Grand Course at VIR in 2:58.2 on runflats, no throw that out the window. Don't even bring it up.

If the GTR breaks 3 minutes on that course on whatever tire they send it there on, I'll give it it's props.

I highly doubt that it does it.

DEAD EYE

I guess the ACR will have to carry the torch. lol

allegretto

I have spoken to real race drivers. Almost invariably they are quite self-effacing and quite likely would not agree with your last sentence. To truly drive 95% takes some acclimation to the vehicle.

BLU-BY-U

the "factory" tire comments are comical at best.....trust me, after owning a C6Z for about 2 years, you will cross the "tire decision" path in very short order. I was replacing rear emt's at 4500 miles. So my stock car, with 5000 miles on the ody is in need of tires and I decide to put some REAL tires on the car and ditch the emt runflats...... oh nooooooo's, the factory crew said my car no longer counts as stock.... give me a break. Tires HAVE TO BE addressed, you don't have a choice if you plan on owning the car more than a weekend

427Z0SX

Don't you think the Z deserves to lose, getting on a track with runflats? I understand that the car comes like that from GM, so if they want to be more competitive, offer some R tires as an option.

SAN_man

I fully agree!

SAN_man

That's not entirely true, as I'd say 99% of the folks there have high respect for the Z06. It's only the fully anti-american nutswingers that don't. And there are plenty of anti-japanese folks here too...

But really, the Z06 and base C6 are well respected at the two other boards I visit (my350z.com, and stangnet.com).

Z07

Aha! The 911 has the Sport Chrono Package (1.2bar overboost as opposed to usual 1.0bar midrange).

Minkster

Here is a site for a HPDE group (Speedventures) where you can see some respective times that guys like me (regular drivers) do on this track. I have been on it, but not in the configuration for this test, 13 CW. To see times, select the event date, then highlight one of the BW 13 CW events. The time posted in this test for the GT-R is very low for non-professionals, whereas the times posted for the C6Z is on par with a good average+ non professional. Another thing about this track is that it is very hard on brakes, i.e., he with the best brakes wins . Evo guys like this track because it favors their vehicles (track is flat with little elevation changes and AWD) and they are very hard to get past, except under braking.

Have fun with this one .

http://www.speedventures.com/results/Default.aspx

CORVETTEZL1001

And carry the Torch it will. The GTR will get spanked by the ACR, but so will the ZR1 on a road course.

fedaricko01

How much do you want to bet that the 2009 model year Z06 will come standard with better rubber. And I think that this test has finalized it. ;-)

1991Z07

We'll have to disagree on this one...

I too "know" a few professional race drivers (not just speaking with them). Their skills are honed to a higher level than most of us regular folk. Once they have the feel for the car, how it handles etc. they can lay down some pretty serious times on their first "real" attempt. It usually takes a pro about 5-10 laps to figure the car out, then they can get serious.

SW can drive the wheels off just about anything. I've seen it! He's not "technically" a pro, but might as well be. He's been to every driving school in the country. He'll embarrass you in your own car...

The first time I ever saw him drive was an auto-cross in 1991. I see this red C4 doing 4-wheel drifts around the course and I'm thinking his times would be REALLY slow. His second run was blistering, but someone driving "normally" clipped SW's time by .5 seconds. On his last run, the game face went on and he clipped his (previous) FTD by 2 seconds on a 50 second course. No power slides, no drifting, just driving the snot out of that C4.

Driving skill is driving skill, it's all in how you are tuned in to the vehicle. From there, it's squeezing out the last 10-20%.

P.S. You should see SW drive the "bar stool"

1991Z07

I think you missed the post about the GT-R having runflats as standard rubber...3 different compounds to be exact.

BLU-BY-U

three different compounds that didn't seem to include the letters g-o-o-d-y-e-a-r anywhere on the sidewall

1991Z07

Not their fault...

GM must have a piece of Goodyear to stay with them this long...

allegretto

Our experiences differ. Nothing wrong with that.

Who is SW????

Bwright

Actually, there is no conflict at all if you are familiar with one particular aspect of Road and Track.

First, a spot of background and a point of reference. No one here with even a remote familiarity with Japan's Best Motoring would take seriously the results of any comparison test staged by that organization. And with good reason. This Road and Track test was organized by none other than Road & Track's Japanese editor Sam Mitani, a man who, in the decade I have been reading his reviews, has never met a Japanese car he didn't fawn over. Go to R&T's website. Enter his name in the search box. Randomly pick and read any two articles he has written on a Japanese car (there are lots and lots). You'll soon see why I stopped reading his work years ago.

I just got back from the New York International Auto Show's press preview. I mentioned the R&T article specifically to an editor at Car and Driver. He burst out laughing when told the gap R&T had supposedly seen. His reaction was. "I don't believe it. We'll see when we run our Lightning Lap." HeavyChevy, you already know who I spoke to though I won't say the name here. I will be among the first to congratulate Nissan if they are able to decisively defeat the Z06 on that test but I will be surprised if they do.

Honestly, R&T may have done more to damage their credibility here than at any other time in their history. Quotes on the GT-R's superiority to the Enzo etc. OK, whatever.

Oh look, a flying pig...

allegretto

Oh, I'd say waaay less than 99%!!!Go check it out for yourselves folks and make up your own minds.