[Z06] ZR1 Vs. Z06 Let The Truth Be Told
02-20-2010, 06:12 PM
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Le Mans Master
I read your reply several times and I'm not quite sure what you mean. Do you mean that the ZR1 came out because the C6Z went a couple years with little change and just price increases, or are you saying there were no significant improvements in the C6Z over the 01C5Z so you're waiting to see what comes out in 11?
Moving on to the C6Z.......
When the C6Z first came out it was in a class of it's own but as the years rolled by the price went up while for the most part the car remained resting on it's 2006 introduction laurels.
However if for 2011 they regain the initiative with some more power and better track prep from the factory (forged pistons, piston oiling, better valve-train) along with the talked about ZO7 option, the Z06 will IMO retake the throne of being the best of the best all things considered.
IMO the ZR1 is a great car even though I am not fond of the "see through" hood. Still (and IMO) it is more of a grand touring car combining comfort and luxury with some impressive performance numbers. If money did not matter and because I would not get to track the car given a choice I would take the ZR1.
Still a new "lean and mean" Z06 for 2011 would be a real heart thumper and would be hard to pass over.
Hope that explains it a little better
Doug
02-20-2010, 08:02 PM
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I have always liked the Z06 in both the C5 and C6 models. For looks I preferred my unique C5 FRC body (albeit unfortunately inferior aerodynamics) but I was really ticked off about them coming out with a higher HP rating just one year later.
Moving on to the C6Z.......
When the C6Z first came out it was in a class of it's own but as the years rolled by the price went up while for the most part the car remained resting on it's 2006 introduction laurels.
However if for 2011 they regain the initiative with some more power and better track prep from the factory (forged pistons, piston oiling, better valve-train) along with the talked about ZO7 option, the Z06 will IMO retake the throne of being the best of the best all things considered.
IMO the ZR1 is a great car even though I am not fond of the "see through" hood. Still (and IMO) it is more of a grand touring car combining comfort and luxury with some impressive performance numbers. If money did not matter and because I would not get to track the car given a choice I would take the ZR1.
Still a new "lean and mean" Z06 for 2011 would be a real heart thumper and would be hard to pass over.
Hope that explains it a little better
Doug
Moving on to the C6Z.......
When the C6Z first came out it was in a class of it's own but as the years rolled by the price went up while for the most part the car remained resting on it's 2006 introduction laurels.
However if for 2011 they regain the initiative with some more power and better track prep from the factory (forged pistons, piston oiling, better valve-train) along with the talked about ZO7 option, the Z06 will IMO retake the throne of being the best of the best all things considered.
IMO the ZR1 is a great car even though I am not fond of the "see through" hood. Still (and IMO) it is more of a grand touring car combining comfort and luxury with some impressive performance numbers. If money did not matter and because I would not get to track the car given a choice I would take the ZR1.
Still a new "lean and mean" Z06 for 2011 would be a real heart thumper and would be hard to pass over.
Hope that explains it a little better
Doug
Cheers!
Bob
02-20-2010, 08:06 PM
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Burning Brakes
02-20-2010, 09:33 PM
#85
Le Mans Master
In my humble oppinion, I think its nice that GM made the ZR-1 because its the trophy of the corporation. But, its really sad that GM can't build a trophy where it counts the most: mid size and full size cars. Corvette is not the bread and butter of GM and unfortunately, Corvette wont save GM. If you ask me, they are puting all their talent in the wrong place. Corvette has never been hard to sell and probably never will be... but this other crap GM is selling wont make a dent in Toyota sales.
Back to the issue though, ZR-1 vs. Z06... the ZR-1 will never have that nice ring to it "427"... The Z06 is a throw back to the old days... cant beat that!
Lorna
Back to the issue though, ZR-1 vs. Z06... the ZR-1 will never have that nice ring to it "427"... The Z06 is a throw back to the old days... cant beat that!
Lorna
Gov motors is pushing green 4 cyl engine ho hum I could careless.
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02-20-2010, 11:33 PM
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I just finished making a deal on an 07 Z and just joined the forum. I am trading a 04 subaru STI. A new sti is in the 40 k range. Are you kidding me? Take a look at the recent car and driver lightning lap issue. The ZR1 smoked everything even dedicated track toys could not beat it. Porsche got it *** handed to it , even the 4 seat M3 beat the porsches. The Z06 is 9.5 tenths as fast for less then half the price of ZR1 if you buy used one. One fifth or one tenth the price of slower lambos and ferraris. Read that article it is just amazing. I spend the better part of two years under my subies instead of on the track. The vettes can take it. But I have to admit I kept my track subie cause I have a warehouse of parts and dead motors to keep me busy with my new hobbie fixing subies. But I will drive that Z on the street proudly knowing what it is capable of. Too nice to track it for now.
02-21-2010, 12:07 AM
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I just finished making a deal on an 07 Z and just joined the forum. I am trading a 04 subaru STI. A new sti is in the 40 k range. Are you kidding me? Take a look at the recent car and driver lightning lap issue. The ZR1 smoked everything even dedicated track toys could not beat it. Porsche got it *** handed to it , even the 4 seat M3 beat the porsches. The Z06 is 9.5 tenths as fast for less then half the price of ZR1 if you buy used one. One fifth or one tenth the price of slower lambos and ferraris. Read that article it is just amazing. I spend the better part of two years under my subies instead of on the track. The vettes can take it. But I have to admit I kept my track subie cause I have a warehouse of parts and dead motors to keep me busy with my new hobbie fixing subies. But I will drive that Z on the street proudly knowing what it is capable of. Too nice to track it for now.
02-21-2010, 01:30 AM
#88
Le Mans Master
Just go ahead and buy a Bugatti Veyron and you won't have to worry about feeling this way for a good while.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x15...n-at-top-speed
http://www.flixxy.com/bugatti-veyron-test-drive.htm
It'll only cost you $1.3 million, but hey, you'll never have this sinking feeling you are going through right now ever again. Small price to pay for the peace of mind.
Or you could enjoy it until the next magazine comes out.
02-21-2010, 09:02 AM
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Le Mans Master
Perfectly explainedn, thanks. GM (or any manufacturer) incurs huge design and testing costs up front when introducing a new model, probably exponentially so with a car as complex as the C6Z, so they have to get 4-5 years of production with limited redesign/retool expense so they can make their money. Since I have a 2006 C6Z I'd just as soon they hold off as long as they want before they make my car inferior!! I would be reluctant to buy a 2010 as they will take a huge hit if major change come out in 2011.
Cheers!
Bob
Cheers!
Bob
My 07 will still be "close enough" to take a $30k hit on mine to pay close to ZR $ for a "ZO7" that will look pretty much the same. Saving my hit on a C7Z when that happens.Take your time GM so that mine looks new for a few more years
02-21-2010, 09:16 AM
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I just finished making a deal on an 07 Z and just joined the forum. I am trading a 04 subaru STI. A new sti is in the 40 k range. Are you kidding me? Take a look at the recent car and driver lightning lap issue. The ZR1 smoked everything even dedicated track toys could not beat it. Porsche got it *** handed to it , even the 4 seat M3 beat the porsches. The Z06 is 9.5 tenths as fast for less then half the price of ZR1 if you buy used one. One fifth or one tenth the price of slower lambos and ferraris. Read that article it is just amazing. I spend the better part of two years under my subies instead of on the track. The vettes can take it. But I have to admit I kept my track subie cause I have a warehouse of parts and dead motors to keep me busy with my new hobbie fixing subies. But I will drive that Z on the street proudly knowing what it is capable of. Too nice to track it for now.
02-21-2010, 10:23 AM
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Let's be honest with ourselves:
1. If GM were giving them out for free, we'd all pick the ZR1
2. $80k MSRP for a Corvette is a stretch, but acceptable (the Z06 is based on a $50k car). However, $120k is hard to do on a car that started as a $50k vehicle. Furthermore, it plunges the car into more exotic territory, new or used. If I had that cash to blow on a car, I'd be looking at different rides, some of which are even slower than the Z06 I currently drive (example - 911 GT3, Aston Martin V8 Vantage, Audi R8).
3. The real question we need to ask ourselves is what will these go for 3 to 5 years from now on the used market. That's when I'll be interested. I imagine these will depreciate like any 'vette, and that's where the bargain is - somebody else's mildly used 'vette with 20k miles or less.
I'm just happy all these great choices are available.
1. If GM were giving them out for free, we'd all pick the ZR1
2. $80k MSRP for a Corvette is a stretch, but acceptable (the Z06 is based on a $50k car). However, $120k is hard to do on a car that started as a $50k vehicle. Furthermore, it plunges the car into more exotic territory, new or used. If I had that cash to blow on a car, I'd be looking at different rides, some of which are even slower than the Z06 I currently drive (example - 911 GT3, Aston Martin V8 Vantage, Audi R8).
3. The real question we need to ask ourselves is what will these go for 3 to 5 years from now on the used market. That's when I'll be interested. I imagine these will depreciate like any 'vette, and that's where the bargain is - somebody else's mildly used 'vette with 20k miles or less.
I'm just happy all these great choices are available.
02-21-2010, 02:20 PM
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[QUOTE=KMK454;1573175847]Let's be honest with ourselves:
1. If GM were giving them out for free, we'd all pick the ZR1
2. $80k MSRP for a Corvette is a stretch, but acceptable (the Z06 is based on a $50k car). However, $120k is hard to do on a car that started as a $50k vehicle. Furthermore, it plunges the car into more exotic territory, new or used. If I had that cash to blow on a car, I'd be looking at different rides, some of which are even slower than the Z06 I currently drive (example - 911 GT3, Aston Martin V8 Vantage, Audi R8).
3. The real question we need to ask ourselves is what will these go for 3 to 5 years from now on the used market. That's when I'll be interested. I imagine these will depreciate like any 'vette, and that's where the bargain is - somebody else's mildly used 'vette with 20k miles or less.
That is the key, the depreciation curve. It is a double edged sword. Z06 is an awesome car but will depreciate faster the say a porsche or bmer or audi etc. So if you buy it new your better served keeping it and paying it off as quick as possible. If you buy clean low mileage it is an absolute steal and you will not be upside down on the car from day one. The Zr1 is a boon for people who want a Z06 as all those folks traded their Z in to get one now. If you are patient chevy will do it again and the Zr1 guys will do the same and we can trade up at a discount. Honestly If I had the money to blow I would buy a Zr1 now but I don't so if i see a Zr1 in my mirrors I'll give him a big thumbs up and wait for the market in 2012 or so when they become available in significant enough numbers to be had for say 60 to 70 k or less.
And depending on where you live the chances of coming across a Zr1 in your Z06 are pretty low.
1. If GM were giving them out for free, we'd all pick the ZR1
2. $80k MSRP for a Corvette is a stretch, but acceptable (the Z06 is based on a $50k car). However, $120k is hard to do on a car that started as a $50k vehicle. Furthermore, it plunges the car into more exotic territory, new or used. If I had that cash to blow on a car, I'd be looking at different rides, some of which are even slower than the Z06 I currently drive (example - 911 GT3, Aston Martin V8 Vantage, Audi R8).
3. The real question we need to ask ourselves is what will these go for 3 to 5 years from now on the used market. That's when I'll be interested. I imagine these will depreciate like any 'vette, and that's where the bargain is - somebody else's mildly used 'vette with 20k miles or less.
That is the key, the depreciation curve. It is a double edged sword. Z06 is an awesome car but will depreciate faster the say a porsche or bmer or audi etc. So if you buy it new your better served keeping it and paying it off as quick as possible. If you buy clean low mileage it is an absolute steal and you will not be upside down on the car from day one. The Zr1 is a boon for people who want a Z06 as all those folks traded their Z in to get one now. If you are patient chevy will do it again and the Zr1 guys will do the same and we can trade up at a discount. Honestly If I had the money to blow I would buy a Zr1 now but I don't so if i see a Zr1 in my mirrors I'll give him a big thumbs up and wait for the market in 2012 or so when they become available in significant enough numbers to be had for say 60 to 70 k or less.
And depending on where you live the chances of coming across a Zr1 in your Z06 are pretty low.
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08-09-2010, 01:23 AM
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08-09-2010, 05:16 AM
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dont sweat it brother.
DONT SWEAT THE ZR1 BRO ,THE Z06 IS THE ORIGINAL DESIGN ,GM WENT AND GOT THE Z06 DESIGN AND PUT A SMALLER MOTOR WITH A BLOWER ,CERAMIC BREAKES,CARBON FIBER AND CHARGE YOU ALMOST DOUBLE THE PRICE OF A Z06 ........I DONT CARE IF GM MAKES A ZR1,ZR2,ZR3 .....IN MY OPINION THE Z06 IS THE BADDEST STREET CAR OUT THERE .THANK GOD FOR WHAT YOU GOT Z06'S ARENT CHEAP AND YOU KNOW YOU BUSTED YR AZZ LIKE I DID TO AFFORD ONE.I LOVE MY BLACK 08 ZO6 .AND IF YR LOOKING TO BE FASTER THAN A ZR1 JUST DROP A SUPERCHARGER IN IT (SUPERCHARGED 427)HAS A NICE RING TO IT ........THATS WHAT IM DOING , IM NOT ******* THE ZR1 BUT YOU HAVE THE ORIGINAL ARTICLE BRO ,AND IMHO A SEE THRU HOOD ,CARBON FIBER ,LOW SPLITTER BELONG ON HONDAS .....LOL....
