[Z06] Friend is PO'd: previous owner took the car above 200MPH 3x
11-08-2006, 07:45 PM
#101
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Originally Posted by ShawnDFW
as regards to the clutch fluid being wrong, they stated that the fluid was contaminated and was a different color than what it needed to be. they said that since the contamination was unlikely to happen at the factory, either iit was changed by the previous owner or the 200mph had something to do with it.
11-08-2006, 11:34 PM
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I thought the black box could only store the last 30 seconds of data for wreck investigations.
I'm pretty damn sure it doesn't keep track of EVERYTHING the car has done. I'm gonna call
on the blackbox data the dealer says they have.
I'm pretty damn sure it doesn't keep track of EVERYTHING the car has done. I'm gonna call
on the blackbox data the dealer says they have.
11-09-2006, 01:52 AM
#106
Originally Posted by vizkiz
The black box is part of the airbag system and records various details from the 5-15 seconds before and after a crash. There might be something else in the car that recorded the data, but it is not the traditional "black box" that has been used in court for accidents to prove who was speeding, if they were braking, how hard they were accelerating, braking, etc.Such data could result in voided warranties, traffic fines, felony arrests, cancelled insurance etc. By the way, it the black permanently in contact and uploading car usage parameters through Onstar to GM?
I am not a conspiracy theory devotee. However, these seems to be one ( a conspiracy ) hidden here somewhere. Perhaps the Federal govt mandate is for the recording of data just prior to air bag deployment and perhaps it wasleft up to manufacturers if they wanted to build in ADDITIONAL recording capability?
Great part of it is that I think if an owner even tries to retrieve data from the thing it's a federal crime of tampering with a safety system?
11-09-2006, 09:02 AM
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Here is some corporate declarations about Event Data Recorders in GM applications. You can derive your own conclusions. Forgive me if this has been posted before.
http://www.gm.com/company/gmability/...ers/index.html
http://www.gm.com/company/gmability/...ers/index.html
11-09-2006, 10:41 AM
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My Window Valet records max rpm and max speed. It has the capability to reset, clearing those numbers . I don't know if that has any interface with the data recorder.
11-09-2006, 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by PcarRacr
Who care's. If it runs good and looks good that's all that matters. Also that's the risk you take when buying a used vehicle. The C6Z is what it is. I think anyone who doesn't drive the **** out of their Z should be slapped. If you don't experience what the car has to offer you are missing the whole reason all those engineers dedicated so much time making the vehicle the fortunate few of us get to own. If you want a crusier get a regular C6.
Chad
Chad
It's meant to be driven. If you are just going to park it in the garage and look at it anyway, what does it matter if the engine is even blown--- as in destroyed.
11-09-2006, 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Cosmic Vette
Here is some corporate declarations about Event Data Recorders in GM applications. You can derive your own conclusions. Forgive me if this has been posted before.
http://www.gm.com/company/gmability/...ers/index.html
http://www.gm.com/company/gmability/...ers/index.html
11-09-2006, 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Exterminator
Thanks for posting the link - interesting. I can't help but wonder how much data is stored and for how long.
I'm trying to figure just how closely we are being tracked.
11-09-2006, 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Exterminator
Thanks for posting the link - interesting. I can't help but wonder how much data is stored and for how long.
GM EDRs do not continuously record vehicle speed data that is capable of being accessed. Only in the event of a crash will such data be recorded. The EDR typically does not record location or other outside conditions.
^Copied and pasted from their EDR page.
11-09-2006, 12:46 PM
#115
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Originally Posted by PcarRacr
Quote: Frankie2blue
This is exactly why I wouldn't take a used Z for a gift unless I knew the car from delivery. I don't drive the **** out of any of my cars, but I would love to see somebody try to slap me for it.
Maybe I shouldn't have said slap...that's what women do. It's a figure of speech and again my position stands that they make regular versions of these cars for people more interested in waxing than performance driving. This certainly isn't a rare car that's going to appreciate in value. The regular C6 is a great car and quite frankly probably has more power than most people can handle.
Again it's just my opinion but I also feel every C6Z owner should hit the track with it(do a drivers clinic or DE event...learn about what makes this car so special)...again GM desingers/Engineers spent countless hours making this exotic killer and Chevy was generous enough to let us end users have a streetable track car....dammit go out and make these folks proud!!!! ;-)
Seriously though what I really care is that no matter who you are if you love what you drive and are passionate about it then you are alright with me. Not everyone is comfortable racing cars and I for one can respect that.
Take Care,
Chad
This is exactly why I wouldn't take a used Z for a gift unless I knew the car from delivery. I don't drive the **** out of any of my cars, but I would love to see somebody try to slap me for it.
Maybe I shouldn't have said slap...that's what women do. It's a figure of speech and again my position stands that they make regular versions of these cars for people more interested in waxing than performance driving. This certainly isn't a rare car that's going to appreciate in value. The regular C6 is a great car and quite frankly probably has more power than most people can handle.
Again it's just my opinion but I also feel every C6Z owner should hit the track with it(do a drivers clinic or DE event...learn about what makes this car so special)...again GM desingers/Engineers spent countless hours making this exotic killer and Chevy was generous enough to let us end users have a streetable track car....dammit go out and make these folks proud!!!! ;-)
Seriously though what I really care is that no matter who you are if you love what you drive and are passionate about it then you are alright with me. Not everyone is comfortable racing cars and I for one can respect that.
Take Care,
Chad
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11-09-2006, 01:50 PM
#116
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However, if the computer stores a DTC code (set during the dyno runs perhaps) that will show speed as we know. This is NOT the EDR (or black box) that previous posts were referring to.
My conclusion is that the dealer stated the truth.
My conclusion is that the dealer stated the truth.
11-09-2006, 01:56 PM
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just got off the phone with my friend. the dealer is Moritz Chevy in fort worth. he told me that he has another car being serviced there and when he goes to pick it up in about 2 days, he will ask them for a copy of the printout.
he did say that the service department was abuzz with talk of the 200mph car. mechanics and service writers alike were talking about it
he did say that the service department was abuzz with talk of the 200mph car. mechanics and service writers alike were talking about it
11-09-2006, 02:09 PM
#118
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If a simple thing like a speedohealer for a motorcycle can hold a top speed, and it can and does...........then I'm sure this would be an easy thing for the black box..This works for digitial or analog...........
11-09-2006, 02:38 PM
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This is all you need to know. The information can and will be used against you.
Originally Posted by GM
Under what circumstances will GM access EDR data?
GM will not access EDR information or share it with others except:
With the consent of the vehicle owner or, if the vehicle is leased, with the consent of the lessee.
In connection with litigation, through the discovery process;
In response to an official request of police or a similar government office or;
As required by law.
GM will not access EDR information or share it with others except:
With the consent of the vehicle owner or, if the vehicle is leased, with the consent of the lessee.
In connection with litigation, through the discovery process;
In response to an official request of police or a similar government office or;
As required by law.
11-09-2006, 02:45 PM
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GM EDRs do not continuously record vehicle speed data that is capable of being accessed. Only in the event of a crash will such data be recorded.
During conferences on EDR systems, speakers and authorities echo these comments.
I am just paranoid enough to believe that they are not telling us the truth.
In connection with litigation, through the discovery process;
In response to an official request of police or a similar government office or;
As required by law.
In response to an official request of police or a similar government office or;
As required by law.
Last edited by Cosmic Vette; 11-09-2006 at 02:48 PM.