[Z06] C6 Z06 vs. Veryon vs. 997 TT vs. LP640 vs. etc..
10-26-2006, 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by VY427
It's possible, traction and familiarity with the car are needed. The reason you probably haven't seen a better run than 3.9 to 100 km/h is just that, it's a run to 100 km/h. We don't record those units in the States.
Now, you may be right, but, including the shift to second, I doubt it takes up to a half a second to go from 60 to 62 mph. This is assuming a good run to 60, of course.
A little experimentation helps. Maybe achieving a great 0 - 100 km/h time requires slightly short shifting out of first into second? Who knows.
Those here who are most familiar with the car would likely fair better than those overseas. The same holds true for European cars, testers in Europe often attain quicker times for their cars. My $.02
Now, you may be right, but, including the shift to second, I doubt it takes up to a half a second to go from 60 to 62 mph. This is assuming a good run to 60, of course.
A little experimentation helps. Maybe achieving a great 0 - 100 km/h time requires slightly short shifting out of first into second? Who knows.
Those here who are most familiar with the car would likely fair better than those overseas. The same holds true for European cars, testers in Europe often attain quicker times for their cars. My $.02
AMS does the test with a passenger and a full load of fuel, so thereby, the Z06 numbers are realistic. Ferrari sent a factory team to "assist" during the test, thus I think they selected an especially good one.
Yes, Porsche came with overboost option, the First GT cracked its halfshafts by the way, so the had to use a second one. Viper did only 298 km/h, hence no 300 number. Sorry guys, I am pretty busy at the moment, otherwise I would translate the artickle.
My Z06 is pretty new still thereby , I did not go beyond 160 mph yet, at that pont the car is a ***** cat.
10-26-2006, 02:37 PM
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Oh well i mean, you could buy like 10 or more Z0's for the price of one Bugatti. And compared to the rest you could get two or three Z0's. Except the Viper. Put 1.5 mill into a vette then race the Bugatti! lol Where is that race at??
10-26-2006, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by IH8PONYS
Oh well i mean, you could buy like 10 or more Z0's for the price of one Bugatti. And compared to the rest you could get two or three Z0's. Except the Viper. Put 1.5 mill into a vette then race the Bugatti! lol Where is that race at??
10-26-2006, 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Zlicious
While you are at it, grap a few GT2's, Lambos, and the like, spank them, and get it on camera for us..
10-26-2006, 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by dietrich
355Spider your car is modified though is not?
This test show how fast the Bugatti is. Is much. much faster than any other road car. Nothing can beat 2.5 second 0-100kmh on street tires on street.
This test show how fast the Bugatti is. Is much. much faster than any other road car. Nothing can beat 2.5 second 0-100kmh on street tires on street.
10-26-2006, 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Udaman
What are you using AX22, Racelogic? What is a GT2 timer? Please post your graph when you get them.
I ordered the software and download cable last week but it hasn't arrived yet. I'll post as soon as I know how it works.
10-26-2006, 05:17 PM
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10-26-2006, 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by vetmts
Does anyone know if they shifted into 6th gear?
10-26-2006, 06:43 PM
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Hey Congaman - They were waiting for you over at rennteam on the sportscar board regarding this magazine article. I suggested that they did shift into 6th gear on the test and they suggested there was no way, and that the germans invented motorsport racing.
10-26-2006, 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by 355Spider
Keep rolling the eyes but when you line up next to me at the strip you'll believe it. I'll post the graphs as soon as I can download off of my timer.
At the strip I believe a 2.9 0-60 is possible. But on the street, I think that would be very difficult. C&D did get 0-60 in 3.4 seconds, however. I look forward to seeing your data.
10-26-2006, 10:47 PM
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Anyone seen this yet? Should beat the over rated Veyron.
http://www.caparo-t1.com/
0 - 60 MPH < 2.5 Secs
0 - 100 MPH < 5.0 Secs
And over 3Gs in the Corner.
http://www.caparo-t1.com/
0 - 60 MPH < 2.5 Secs
0 - 100 MPH < 5.0 Secs
And over 3Gs in the Corner.
10-26-2006, 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by MoGeN
Anyone seen this yet? Should beat the over rated Veyron.
10-27-2006, 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by WeaponsGradeTorque
At the strip I believe a 2.9 0-60 is possible. But on the street, I think that would be very difficult. C&D did get 0-60 in 3.4 seconds, however. I look forward to seeing your data.
10-27-2006, 01:11 AM
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Originally Posted by MoGeN
Anyone seen this yet? Should beat the over rated Veyron.
http://www.caparo-t1.com/
0 - 60 MPH < 2.5 Secs
0 - 100 MPH < 5.0 Secs
And over 3Gs in the Corner.
http://www.caparo-t1.com/
0 - 60 MPH < 2.5 Secs
0 - 100 MPH < 5.0 Secs
And over 3Gs in the Corner.
10-27-2006, 01:20 AM
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Originally Posted by ocnatv
Hey Congaman - They were waiting for you over at rennteam on the sportscar board regarding this magazine article. I suggested that they did shift into 6th gear on the test and they suggested there was no way, and that the germans invented motorsport racing.
10-27-2006, 01:21 AM
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Originally Posted by gearheaddroppings
That thing is kinda extreme for a Cobra. I can only imagine how it handles at 180+mph!
10-27-2006, 03:49 AM
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Guys,
There is no way for the Z06 to reaches it's top speed on 6th gear that's for a fact. I've pushed my Z06 to a near 320 km in a numerous occasions and from what I recall there is no chance for the Z06 to keep pulling in 6th gear at such speeds.
However, I would rather have a tall 6th gear on my Z06 for better mpg rather than a shorter one just to entertain that remote chance of getting beaten by a Porsche at speeds beyond 290 Km !!!
The Z06 spanks the 911TT where it really counts
… … my .02
So let the Porsche guys have something to brag about … They have paid twice as much as we paid for crying out loud !!
Ps: the Ford GT is really impressive at high speeds
There is no way for the Z06 to reaches it's top speed on 6th gear that's for a fact. I've pushed my Z06 to a near 320 km in a numerous occasions and from what I recall there is no chance for the Z06 to keep pulling in 6th gear at such speeds.
However, I would rather have a tall 6th gear on my Z06 for better mpg rather than a shorter one just to entertain that remote chance of getting beaten by a Porsche at speeds beyond 290 Km !!!
The Z06 spanks the 911TT where it really counts
… … my .02So let the Porsche guys have something to brag about … They have paid twice as much as we paid for crying out loud !!
Ps: the Ford GT is really impressive at high speeds
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10-27-2006, 04:58 AM
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The point everyone missing is the Bugatti can do 2.5s or less 0-100 km/h every time on street with street tires. No other car in world can do that no matter how much power it have. From standing start on street with street tire I think nothing can beat it.
10-27-2006, 06:50 AM
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The performance of the Bugatti is mind boggling. The 0-300 time is completely absurd. I love it!
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I am also very impressed with the numbers that the new Lambo put up, just under 32 seconds to 300 is awesome!
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I am also very impressed with the numbers that the new Lambo put up, just under 32 seconds to 300 is awesome!
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10-27-2006, 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Verrückt
Well, considering the Z06 would barely do 160 mph in 6th gear, I'm gonna have to agree with the guys on Rennteam.
So, it goes something like this. The 911 gets the Z06 off of the line up to around the quarter mile. Then -the Z06 is ahead until around 186 MPH. The 911 pulls ahead for a little bit until the cars reach 193, where the Z06 regains it's lead because the Porshe is topped out. So the Z06 is faster to 198 MPH.
In other words, the race is not over at 186 MPH (300 km/h), it goes on if we are doing a high speed comparison. I think this is what GM's mind set was, because everyone looks at the top speed number.
I would really like to know more details on this testing. How many times did they do the top speed runs on each car? Was their a head wind during any of the runs? A very small headwind can have a dramatic effect on top end and was this accounted for?
Quattro got 197 mph top speed out of the Z06, automotosport got 198.8, and the GM spec is 198..... but they got 195 out of the one they tested. Other cars were more on target with the Quattro testing for top speed. This is the first time I've seen an actual "time" for the Z06 to hit it's top speed. Hopefully we will see more tests on this kind of run (but I doubt it). But I would also like to see how long it takes to cover a very long distance, which would be more useful.
If this test would give the same results time after time, then this tells me the very top end is and area where the Z06 is not optimized and GM may not have really cared too much because only speeds to 150 and top speed number are performace metrics (i.e. benchmarks). I looked up CD numbers. The Z06 has .34, C6 has .28, and the 911 is .31 (very impressive!), I am not sure what the frontal area numbers are, so maybe someone could chime in.
My statments here are not putting down the Porsche 911 by any means. I am really impressed with it and love the car. In fact, I would purchase one. Great job here by both GM and Porsche!
FYI, here is a list of top speeds measured on both cars on the same day. Note that the Z06 is a little lower in the AMS test where the 911 numbner is in line with the others:
-----------AutoSport--------Road And Track----------------AMS
Z06----------198.8--------------197-------------------------195.7
911----------192.6--------------192.9-----------------------192.9
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