[Z06] Gouging Dealers "Wall of Shame"
10-29-2005, 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by HadAZ06
I'm continually flabbergasted by everyone's disgust at dealer price-gouging. It's simple: don't buy from them. If everyone else shares your sentiment, the cars won't sell. If they do, it's because the market is willing to bear the markup. This is Eco 101, people. Relax.
10-29-2005, 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Frankie2blue
All of the people that I know that bought C5 ZO6's over MSRP and actually admit it ALL say they are sorry they did it. They thought the car would be a limited run and were afraid they wouldn't get one. They all would like to upgrade to the new one but will now hold out for the hype to end. C5 Z's are great cars but they are a dime a dozen now- no big deal, just as the C6Z will be. I feel sorry for the stupidity of the morons playing into this hand and resentment for the dealerships doing this. I get a laugh out of these boneheads saying that it's because "the whiners don't have the money". Give me a break. The smartest and most affluent folks I know do not throw their money away. And they can afford to. They choose not to.
Well said!
10-29-2005, 12:47 PM
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[QUOTE=JLC629]
The only problem in that way of thinking is that what if all the dealers gouged. Then your 70,000 z06 would be 85,000. What would you say then? Increase over msrp has also caused alot of speculators, taking spots from enthusiasts who really want the car, and cant afford another 15000. Both the dealers and the speculators are artificially inflating the price of the car. This is really short term thinking on the dealers part. In my honest opinion, I believe they will cause alot of resentment, and lose current and future sales. Look at the C6..dealers are offering 3-7000 off msrp on 05's, and at least 1-3000 off 06's. The same will happen with the Z06. I was set to buy a C6, but got turned off of the pricing and the dealers, and decided to wait until the market cooled down. I bought another performance car..and will get a Z when prices settle down.
The only problem in that way of thinking is that what if all the dealers gouged. Then your 70,000 z06 would be 85,000. What would you say then? Increase over msrp has also caused alot of speculators, taking spots from enthusiasts who really want the car, and cant afford another 15000. Both the dealers and the speculators are artificially inflating the price of the car. This is really short term thinking on the dealers part. In my honest opinion, I believe they will cause alot of resentment, and lose current and future sales. Look at the C6..dealers are offering 3-7000 off msrp on 05's, and at least 1-3000 off 06's. The same will happen with the Z06. I was set to buy a C6, but got turned off of the pricing and the dealers, and decided to wait until the market cooled down. I bought another performance car..and will get a Z when prices settle down.
10-29-2005, 02:27 PM
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Some errr most dealers are desperate. If you really want a Z06 you can get one for sticker. Just this week on my day off they sold our only 2006 for 5K off sticker. I was embarrassed.
Some errr most dealers are desperate. If you really want a Z06 you can get one for sticker. Just this week on my day off they sold our only 2006 for 5K off sticker. I was embarrassed.
10-29-2005, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by dr.david
It really doen't matter what the officail policy is. There are Dealers that always try to sell over invoice.
10-29-2005, 04:23 PM
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[QUOTE=steve burns]
The only problem in that way of thinking is that what if all the dealers gouged. Then your 70,000 z06 would be 85,000. What would you say then? Increase over msrp has also caused alot of speculators, taking spots from enthusiasts who really want the car, and cant afford another 15000. Both the dealers and the speculators are artificially inflating the price of the car. This is really short term thinking on the dealers part. In my honest opinion, I believe they will cause alot of resentment, and lose current and future sales. Look at the C6..dealers are offering 3-7000 off msrp on 05's, and at least 1-3000 off 06's. The same will happen with the Z06. I was set to buy a C6, but got turned off of the pricing and the dealers, and decided to wait until the market cooled down. I bought another performance car..and will get a Z when prices settle down.
Personally I wouldnt even pay MSRP.I'm patient,I'll wait for the hype to settle.As good as they are these are still GM products and we all know that there will be incentives in no time.As far as taking spots from enthusiasts is concerned,IMO if you can afford a $70k recreational car $85k isnt that much of a stretch.How many people buying this or any performance car for that matter ever drive the vehicle at ITS limits?I'd hazard a guess at not many.These forums are great but represent a small percentage of Corvette owners.The dealers adding a market adjustment do so because they can.Check back with any of them in a year and see if they are still in business or if the adjustment hurt their sales,I say they will be there and will be doing just fine.The bottom line is something is only worth what someone else is willing to pay.The '06 Z06 is the hottest game in town right now and the dealers know this and they also know that there are people willing to pay the price of admission. 
Originally Posted by JLC629
The only problem in that way of thinking is that what if all the dealers gouged. Then your 70,000 z06 would be 85,000. What would you say then? Increase over msrp has also caused alot of speculators, taking spots from enthusiasts who really want the car, and cant afford another 15000. Both the dealers and the speculators are artificially inflating the price of the car. This is really short term thinking on the dealers part. In my honest opinion, I believe they will cause alot of resentment, and lose current and future sales. Look at the C6..dealers are offering 3-7000 off msrp on 05's, and at least 1-3000 off 06's. The same will happen with the Z06. I was set to buy a C6, but got turned off of the pricing and the dealers, and decided to wait until the market cooled down. I bought another performance car..and will get a Z when prices settle down.
10-29-2005, 09:42 PM
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-Asking 100k out the door (without batting an eye) for their black z06 last week. That's right, 30k premium.
p.s. they're also still asking 8-10k premiums on base c6's.
Dublin, CA
-Asking 100k out the door (without batting an eye) for their black z06 last week. That's right, 30k premium.
p.s. they're also still asking 8-10k premiums on base c6's.
10-29-2005, 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by YellowFvr
Crown Chevrolet
Dublin, CA
-Asking 100k out the door (without batting an eye) for their black z06 last week. That's right, 30k premium.
p.s. they're also still asking 8-10k premiums on base c6's.
Dublin, CA
-Asking 100k out the door (without batting an eye) for their black z06 last week. That's right, 30k premium.
p.s. they're also still asking 8-10k premiums on base c6's.
Those guys are such turds! Last September, they had a 20k markup on their C6's. I spent 20 minutes one evening looking & was totally ignored. I bought mine a week later from Graham in Santa Barbara for under MSRP & even got thanked by the owner.
How do these places stay in business?!?!
10-29-2005, 11:25 PM
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[QUOTE=Jacob]As a public service, I believe we should publish a list of dealers known to be gouging the public by charging in excess of MSRP on the C6Z06. I suggest the following:
1. Dealer name and location.
2. Upcharge being applied to MSRP.
3. Any comments from the dealer on why they are charging a premium.
Not only will we know which dealers to avoid, GM will know that we know. While we live in a free country, perhaps we can, in some small way discourage this behaviour.
Anyone else feel this way?
Jacob[/QUOTE) Stopped by Foothill Ranch Chevrolet in Lake Forest CA. was told that three Z's were expected & already spoken for at 105,000 each.
1. Dealer name and location.
2. Upcharge being applied to MSRP.
3. Any comments from the dealer on why they are charging a premium.
Not only will we know which dealers to avoid, GM will know that we know. While we live in a free country, perhaps we can, in some small way discourage this behaviour.
Anyone else feel this way?
Jacob[/QUOTE) Stopped by Foothill Ranch Chevrolet in Lake Forest CA. was told that three Z's were expected & already spoken for at 105,000 each.
10-30-2005, 05:44 AM
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[/QUOTE) Stopped by Foothill Ranch Chevrolet in Lake Forest CA. was told that three Z's were expected & already spoken for at 105,000 each. [/QUOTE]
When I hear numbers like that I know they are lying. I feel they only say that to get you ready to pay more. It is only a game. At the last Birthday Bash I remember hearing that up to 20% of production could be Z's. That means there will be a lot of cars available. Right now it is crunch time. People hear that they are out and they MUST have one. If you must have one you will probably pay a must have price. If you want the latest and the greatest you pay the price. In just a few short months these great values may be even greater values at UNDER msrp.
Just my .02c
[/QUOTE]When I hear numbers like that I know they are lying. I feel they only say that to get you ready to pay more. It is only a game. At the last Birthday Bash I remember hearing that up to 20% of production could be Z's. That means there will be a lot of cars available. Right now it is crunch time. People hear that they are out and they MUST have one. If you must have one you will probably pay a must have price. If you want the latest and the greatest you pay the price. In just a few short months these great values may be even greater values at UNDER msrp.
Just my .02c
10-30-2005, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Ticket Magnet
Stopped by Foothill Ranch Chevrolet in Lake Forest CA. was told that three Z's were expected & already spoken for at 105,000 each.
When I hear numbers like that I know they are lying. I feel they only say that to get you ready to pay more. It is only a game. At the last Birthday Bash I remember hearing that up to 20% of production could be Z's.
When I hear numbers like that I know they are lying. I feel they only say that to get you ready to pay more. It is only a game. At the last Birthday Bash I remember hearing that up to 20% of production could be Z's.
Doesn't make sense to me.
I see the arguments about "getting it now is worth a premium" and I agree. For those that have the money, I believe it is ok to pay over and ok for the dealers to get more than MSRP. But if you are buying the car for $105k without looking around at your options, then that IS STUPID.
10-30-2005, 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by RFC2
What should we do about our fellow members flipping cars for a profit? Should we "out" them and heap scorn as well?
10-30-2005, 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Kelly100
Yea, we should. They are taking a car from a person who really wants one and turning it for a profit. It stinks and they should be outed
10-30-2005, 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Kelly100
Yea, we should. They are taking a car from a person who really wants one and turning it for a profit. It stinks and they should be outed
10-30-2005, 07:48 PM
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You simply ran into a bad dealer. Not all of us are like that. You have to remember most of the guys in charge of dealerships are the one who sold cars 15 years ago. That time period was very dishonest and it was all about the "today" deal and no thought was given to long term.
I think if you found the time to look around there are many people like me who will give you superior service at a good price.
You simply ran into a bad dealer. Not all of us are like that. You have to remember most of the guys in charge of dealerships are the one who sold cars 15 years ago. That time period was very dishonest and it was all about the "today" deal and no thought was given to long term.
I think if you found the time to look around there are many people like me who will give you superior service at a good price.
10-30-2005, 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Josepy
Lou
You simply ran into a bad dealer. Not all of us are like that. You have to remember most of the guys in charge of dealerships are the one who sold cars 15 years ago. That time period was very dishonest and it was all about the "today" deal and no thought was given to long term.
I think if you found the time to look around there are many people like me who will give you superior service at a good price.
You simply ran into a bad dealer. Not all of us are like that. You have to remember most of the guys in charge of dealerships are the one who sold cars 15 years ago. That time period was very dishonest and it was all about the "today" deal and no thought was given to long term.
I think if you found the time to look around there are many people like me who will give you superior service at a good price.
I have owned 14 vettes in my life & will probably buy a Z06 but I would feel like an idiot paying one cent over MSRP even though I could afford to. There are a lot of us obviously that feel the same. I think E-bay is the place for gougers to advertise & not an enthusiasts forum. In my opinion its arrogant insulting & not too intelligent,
10-30-2005, 09:47 PM
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question-
why didnt you guys ORDER one a year ago or so? i heard about it, and ordered from Kerbeck, got my car 3 weeks ago at window.
pretty standard concept, works with Porsches and Ferraris also: order car well in advance, pay window.
notice you want one when they ship, pay over.
this is not new news
"be prepared"
why didnt you guys ORDER one a year ago or so? i heard about it, and ordered from Kerbeck, got my car 3 weeks ago at window.
pretty standard concept, works with Porsches and Ferraris also: order car well in advance, pay window.
notice you want one when they ship, pay over.
this is not new news
"be prepared"
10-31-2005, 02:00 AM
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I have been been laughed at, lied to, and flat out abandoned by several Chevrolet dealerships because I am trying to spend 71,000.00 on a 71,000.00 car. I currently own a 92 ZR1 and a 04 Tahoe, and have previously owned at least 5 other Chevrolets, 3 of them Corvettes. I am not wealthy by any means it would take selling all cars that I currently own and buying a piece of crap for a daily driver which I am willing to do to own the new ZO6. I am a true enthusiast who just wants the new ZO6. Because of the treatment I am and have been receiving I am currently looking to see what else I may find for 70,000.00 plus that is not made by Chevrolet. When the hype has settled I will not feel sorry for the dealerships and their staff who have been disrespectfull when car sales have slowed and they are once again hurting for sales be it Corvettes or the other models I used to consider. Just my .02 from a long time die hard Chevy fan.