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[Z06] From Dave Hill: Its official - NO HP increases in 07, 08

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Old 05-11-2005, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by alex1217
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“Next year there will not be a 520- or 525-hp version of this car,” said Tadge Juechter, assistant chief engineer.

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The key words here are "this car" meaning the Z06. It does not say there won't be more horsepower in another model such as a "Blue Devil", Super Sport or Grand Sport.

If one of these new models is ever built, it won't be next year and considering the financial shape of GM, there might never be a higher performance model than the Z06.

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Old 05-11-2005, 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Another Yellow
considering the financial shape of GM, there might never be a higher performance model than the Z06.

Frank
oooooaaaa...thats too bad I personally would have really liked to see what else they can come up with...would have been really exciting with a lot more body changes than there are right now to the Z06 vs c6..
Old 05-11-2005, 02:28 PM
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Even if GM has some hard times, I'm sure the corvette program will go on as long as GM is still in business. Just look at the C5 program. It started during some of the worst financial times GM ever had. The C5 ended up getting pushed back and came close to getting the ax but it was too important of a halo for GM to give up. The C6 is currently a profit maker just like the C5 was, so I see know reason why development of future vettes would stop.
Old 05-11-2005, 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by alex1217
It does make sense that they would at least keep the horsepower the same for a couple of years to not alienate existing vette owners and reduce the 06 C6 Z06 depreciation. The article never said that the C6 Z06 would never have another boost of HP again. I'm sure Dave Hill's and his team are already working on future upgrades.
bingo!! You guys also need to learn a little about Z06 Corvette history--with the C5 Z06 there was only one jump in hp...385 to 405 (01-02)and then the 405 number held for 3 years.....if you go back to the the articles, press releases, interviews etc..yeah folks were upset about the 01-02 hp increase BUT THERE WAS A REASON FOR IT...it has been clearly pointed out that GM in bringing out the Z06 in 01 was not quite done with the engine (ie a short development period)--they ran out of development time in getting that car to market for the 01 year...thus the increase in 02 when all their ducks were in a row.....

The new LS7 small block 427 has been in the works for a long while (how long ago did it show up in the tiger shark concept Vette show or Gulstrands 427 50th anniversary Z06; not an entirely new concept-not saying those engines are exactly like the new LS7 but the concept and engineering was there).....this engine is being 'completed' before the car hits the market...not much more to do...which is why Hill made the comment about not leaving any tricks int he bag...unlike 01 when they were still 'developing' the engine as the 'first' version hit the streets for sale.

Of course over the years it can and probably will improve as does everything....
Old 05-11-2005, 04:43 PM
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This is a more general, personal opinion on GM's financial woes more than a thought on whether next year's Z06 will have more hp.

Personally, I think GM's problem (and Ford as well) is churning out cheap cars in bulk and winning market share by volume while compromising on quality and features. GM is getting beat out by cars that are better quality and have better features even though they also come with higher price tags. I know I have gotten fed up with buying cheap cars and will spend more $$$ for a better overall car.

This sentiment really hit home when my wife and I were shopping for mini-vans last year. The offerings from GM, Ford and even Dodge were simply atrocious compared to what Honda and Toyota offered. One dealer tried to sell us a Chrysler Town and Country fully loaded for $10,000 under sticker! And yet it didn't appeal at all to me. The offerings from GM and Ford were even worse to the point I didn't even bother test driving them. The main selling point for most domestic mini-vans was price discounts. But that's not what I wanted; I wanted quality and features and that's exactly what Honda and Toyota delivered in abundance.

IMO, if GM tries to pull out of it's financial woes by driving even harder at more bland, low quality featureless vehicles then they are simply going to lose worse. They need to start competing on quality and features and not just price discounts. Dodge seems to be understanding this as they have shown to be willing to be innovative with unique offerings rather than rehashing the same-old same-old from model year to model year. The Pacifica, Crossfire, PT Cruiser, Magnum, 300... these are all interesting, unique cars.

I love my vette because it's a great car. I feel happy with every penny I spent on my vette despite it not being exactly cheap just the same as I do about my Toyota Sienna. I think if GM and Ford spent more time beefing up their vehicles, they can earn a better profit per unit and still have happy customers even though they are spending more. Being cheap isn't a selling point for me and I bet for many others looking to buy a new car that you will have for up to 10 years.

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Old 05-11-2005, 07:46 PM
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“We don’t have any tricks left”

That's not good. A magician without any tricks is out of a job.
Old 05-11-2005, 08:50 PM
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Pass me that wrench for that new supercharger !
Old 05-11-2005, 09:16 PM
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Why couldn't they just add a Super Charger for some extra HP and kick?
Old 05-11-2005, 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by tolnep
as bullwinkle said to rocky...

"watch me pull a turbo out of my hat"
But Boris Badnoof said "who gets bomb, me"!,,
Old 05-12-2005, 12:48 AM
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This is simply clever marketing, there is always room for improvements, from power train to interior to chasis, GM please do not rest on your laurels.
Old 05-12-2005, 01:50 PM
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Old 05-15-2005, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by rodfl99
Why couldn't they just add a Super Charger for some extra HP and kick?
'cuz then most likely it'd have a gas guzzler tax, which the corvette will never have. (according to dave hill)
Old 05-15-2005, 08:43 PM
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That's it I'm getting an 09' just to be safe.
Old 05-16-2005, 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by rockettc
So Tadge is saying that in 2007 there won't be a 15 or 20 HP increase, but leaves open the possibility of 2008. It also means that any other increase in HP in 2007 other than 15 or 20 HP is possible. It is autoweek's interpretation that we shouldn't hold our breath waiting for it but not that it won't happen.
I believe that is how it should be - increases no more often than 2 years apart. You are just screwing early adopters when you add significant hp one year after the introduction of a model.

But two years is reasonable time to expect your premiere customers to consider trading...

Just my opinion.
Old 05-27-2005, 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Hirohawa
That's it I'm getting an 09' just to be safe.
I see you are from California. I wouldn't bet on it. The California C02 emission standards kick in in 2008, with a law that is so open to interpretation, the car haters in Sacramento could easily ban the Z06 or even the Corvette if they wanted to. Everything from then on may have to have a battery and electric drive motor. How a state full of car enthusiasts keeps electing these idiots, I don't know.

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Old 05-28-2005, 12:53 AM
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Originally Posted by COAndy
That's ok. 505 HP should be adequate for my needs and desires.
you can never have enough HP
Old 05-28-2005, 06:12 AM
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Wasn't it "official" a few months back that the Z06 would not have an aluminum frame or make 500 HP?

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Old 05-28-2005, 02:36 PM
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In other words..."Let's wait and see what the ViperBoyz do"...
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Originally Posted by fstcrr54321
you can never have enough HP
I'll take 505 HP but I want an auto so I can be fast and consistent. I like winning at the track.
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Hmmm. I haven't been on this forum in about a week. I didn't know about the announcement from the team... I was planning on waiting for an 07' for that very reason.

This changes things considerably.


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