[Z06] From Dave Hill: Its official - NO HP increases in 07, 08
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Originally Posted by alex1217
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“Next year there will not be a 520- or 525-hp version of this car,” said Tadge Juechter, assistant chief engineer.
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“Next year there will not be a 520- or 525-hp version of this car,” said Tadge Juechter, assistant chief engineer.
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If one of these new models is ever built, it won't be next year and considering the financial shape of GM, there might never be a higher performance model than the Z06.
Frank
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considering the financial shape of GM, there might never be a higher performance model than the Z06.
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Even if GM has some hard times, I'm sure the corvette program will go on as long as GM is still in business. Just look at the C5 program. It started during some of the worst financial times GM ever had. The C5 ended up getting pushed back and came close to getting the ax but it was too important of a halo for GM to give up. The C6 is currently a profit maker just like the C5 was, so I see know reason why development of future vettes would stop.
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Originally Posted by alex1217
It does make sense that they would at least keep the horsepower the same for a couple of years to not alienate existing vette owners and reduce the 06 C6 Z06 depreciation. The article never said that the C6 Z06 would never have another boost of HP again. I'm sure Dave Hill's and his team are already working on future upgrades.
The new LS7 small block 427 has been in the works for a long while (how long ago did it show up in the tiger shark concept Vette show or Gulstrands 427 50th anniversary Z06; not an entirely new concept-not saying those engines are exactly like the new LS7 but the concept and engineering was there).....this engine is being 'completed' before the car hits the market...not much more to do...which is why Hill made the comment about not leaving any tricks int he bag...unlike 01 when they were still 'developing' the engine as the 'first' version hit the streets for sale.
Of course over the years it can and probably will improve as does everything....
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This is a more general, personal opinion on GM's financial woes more than a thought on whether next year's Z06 will have more hp.
Personally, I think GM's problem (and Ford as well) is churning out cheap cars in bulk and winning market share by volume while compromising on quality and features. GM is getting beat out by cars that are better quality and have better features even though they also come with higher price tags. I know I have gotten fed up with buying cheap cars and will spend more $$$ for a better overall car.
This sentiment really hit home when my wife and I were shopping for mini-vans last year. The offerings from GM, Ford and even Dodge were simply atrocious compared to what Honda and Toyota offered. One dealer tried to sell us a Chrysler Town and Country fully loaded for $10,000 under sticker! And yet it didn't appeal at all to me. The offerings from GM and Ford were even worse to the point I didn't even bother test driving them. The main selling point for most domestic mini-vans was price discounts. But that's not what I wanted; I wanted quality and features and that's exactly what Honda and Toyota delivered in abundance.
IMO, if GM tries to pull out of it's financial woes by driving even harder at more bland, low quality featureless vehicles then they are simply going to lose worse. They need to start competing on quality and features and not just price discounts. Dodge seems to be understanding this as they have shown to be willing to be innovative with unique offerings rather than rehashing the same-old same-old from model year to model year. The Pacifica, Crossfire, PT Cruiser, Magnum, 300... these are all interesting, unique cars.
I love my vette because it's a great car. I feel happy with every penny I spent on my vette despite it not being exactly cheap just the same as I do about my Toyota Sienna. I think if GM and Ford spent more time beefing up their vehicles, they can earn a better profit per unit and still have happy customers even though they are spending more. Being cheap isn't a selling point for me and I bet for many others looking to buy a new car that you will have for up to 10 years.
Personally, I think GM's problem (and Ford as well) is churning out cheap cars in bulk and winning market share by volume while compromising on quality and features. GM is getting beat out by cars that are better quality and have better features even though they also come with higher price tags. I know I have gotten fed up with buying cheap cars and will spend more $$$ for a better overall car.
This sentiment really hit home when my wife and I were shopping for mini-vans last year. The offerings from GM, Ford and even Dodge were simply atrocious compared to what Honda and Toyota offered. One dealer tried to sell us a Chrysler Town and Country fully loaded for $10,000 under sticker! And yet it didn't appeal at all to me. The offerings from GM and Ford were even worse to the point I didn't even bother test driving them. The main selling point for most domestic mini-vans was price discounts. But that's not what I wanted; I wanted quality and features and that's exactly what Honda and Toyota delivered in abundance.
IMO, if GM tries to pull out of it's financial woes by driving even harder at more bland, low quality featureless vehicles then they are simply going to lose worse. They need to start competing on quality and features and not just price discounts. Dodge seems to be understanding this as they have shown to be willing to be innovative with unique offerings rather than rehashing the same-old same-old from model year to model year. The Pacifica, Crossfire, PT Cruiser, Magnum, 300... these are all interesting, unique cars.
I love my vette because it's a great car. I feel happy with every penny I spent on my vette despite it not being exactly cheap just the same as I do about my Toyota Sienna. I think if GM and Ford spent more time beefing up their vehicles, they can earn a better profit per unit and still have happy customers even though they are spending more. Being cheap isn't a selling point for me and I bet for many others looking to buy a new car that you will have for up to 10 years.
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Originally Posted by rodfl99
Why couldn't they just add a Super Charger for some extra HP and kick?
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That's it I'm getting an 09' just to be safe.
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Originally Posted by rockettc
So Tadge is saying that in 2007 there won't be a 15 or 20 HP increase, but leaves open the possibility of 2008. It also means that any other increase in HP in 2007 other than 15 or 20 HP is possible. It is autoweek's interpretation that we shouldn't hold our breath waiting for it but not that it won't happen.
But two years is reasonable time to expect your premiere customers to consider trading...
Just my opinion.
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Originally Posted by Hirohawa
That's it I'm getting an 09' just to be safe.
Michael
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Originally Posted by fstcrr54321
you can never have enough HP
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Hmmm. I haven't been on this forum in about a week. I didn't know about the announcement from the team... I was planning on waiting for an 07' for that very reason.
This changes things considerably.
This changes things considerably.