Car steers itself even with AH disconnected
#1
Drifting
Thread Starter
Car steers itself even with AH disconnected
After an engine replacement, which involves separating the body from the chassis, my 06 Z06 will jerk to the left and right. This happens every 20 min or so. The car also "tracks" the road, small but noticeable, when there is no uneven pavement. At highway speeds this is very unnerving . I imagine at track speeds, this will cost control.
The active handling (AH) is turned off via unplugging the steering sensor, which has worked well for years. I checked the suspension, steering rack wheels and brakes. Everything is tight. I have no idea what could cause this. It may be something else unrelated.
There is some occasional banging in the passenger rear wheel area, but on my lift I cannot see anything loose, sway bars and so forth. Any ideas?
Please keep in mind this thread is about keeping the AH disconnected for the track.
The active handling (AH) is turned off via unplugging the steering sensor, which has worked well for years. I checked the suspension, steering rack wheels and brakes. Everything is tight. I have no idea what could cause this. It may be something else unrelated.
There is some occasional banging in the passenger rear wheel area, but on my lift I cannot see anything loose, sway bars and so forth. Any ideas?
Please keep in mind this thread is about keeping the AH disconnected for the track.
#2
Drifting
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In the back, the muffler is very close to the sway bar, that may give the bang sound.
After the repair I noticed the steering wheel was angled just slightly to the right, but the steering is very tight. I imagine the steering has to be detached somewhere for this job but if something was loose it should feel like it.
After the repair I noticed the steering wheel was angled just slightly to the right, but the steering is very tight. I imagine the steering has to be detached somewhere for this job but if something was loose it should feel like it.
#3
toe changes in the suspension can cause severe tramlining issues. A good alignment might be required?
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Le Mans Master
Disconnecting the steering sensor will not disable active handling. It will make the computer think there is something drastically wrong but the computer will still try to do its best to do what it thinks you are asking it to do. By disconnecting the steering position sensor you may just be introducing noise into the system especially if you have added resistors to keep the computer happy and there is a loose connection. Why not just hold the button to turn off AH and traction control on the track?
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Disconnecting the steering sensor will not disable active handling. It will make the computer think there is something drastically wrong but the computer will still try to do its best to do what it thinks you are asking it to do. By disconnecting the steering position sensor you may just be introducing noise into the system especially if you have added resistors to keep the computer happy and there is a loose connection. Why not just hold the button to turn off AH and traction control on the track?
For track days I keep them both turned on. They won't activate if the slip angles are kept equal at all 4 corners and will help you recover if you screw up.
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Le Mans Master
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Team Owner
Disconnecting the steering sensor will not disable active handling. It will make the computer think there is something drastically wrong but the computer will still try to do its best to do what it thinks you are asking it to do. By disconnecting the steering position sensor you may just be introducing noise into the system especially if you have added resistors to keep the computer happy and there is a loose connection. Why not just hold the button to turn off AH and traction control on the track?
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#11
Le Mans Master
Disconnecting the steering sensor will not disable active handling. It will make the computer think there is something drastically wrong but the computer will still try to do its best to do what it thinks you are asking it to do. By disconnecting the steering position sensor you may just be introducing noise into the system especially if you have added resistors to keep the computer happy and there is a loose connection. Why not just hold the button to turn off AH and traction control on the track?
You can read all about it here: https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...-defeated.html
#12
Le Mans Master
Yes, disconnecting the SWPS is the simple way to disable AH.
Did you get an alignment after the engine replacement? What were the specs? It sounds like something is funny with the alignment or inner/outer tie rod ends.
Did you get an alignment after the engine replacement? What were the specs? It sounds like something is funny with the alignment or inner/outer tie rod ends.
#14
You say the car will jerk left or right, does the steering wheel jerk or the entire car move around? Alignment issues will cause problems all of the time, not at 20min intervals. If the steering jerks, check the hoses for damage/kinks and steering pump operation. The steering rack internal valves may be failing. If the entire car moves around, even though the bolts seem tight, chassis or suspension arm bolt holes may be elongated or mounting points may be damaged. Are the suspension bushings and ball joints ok?
Last edited by WulfLS3; 03-25-2017 at 05:25 PM.
#15
Le Mans Master
Track guys disconnect the steering wheel sensor (which _does_ disable AH) to prevent automatic AH reactivation in the event of TPMS malfunction.
You can read all about it here: https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...-defeated.html
You can read all about it here: https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...-defeated.html
#16
Drifting
Thread Starter
The verdict is in. Discussions with the mechanic reveal he had a hard time realigning the splines (I am not sure where this exactly is or I would fix it myself) when he reassembled the steering. It appears thus that it slips one cog and that is responsible.
Electronics can be so distracting - frequently blamed and in fact usually at fault.
Thanks to all!
Electronics can be so distracting - frequently blamed and in fact usually at fault.
Thanks to all!
#17
The verdict is in. Discussions with the mechanic reveal he had a hard time realigning the splines (I am not sure where this exactly is or I would fix it myself) when he reassembled the steering. It appears thus that it slips one cog and that is responsible.
Electronics can be so distracting - frequently blamed and in fact usually at fault.
Thanks to all!
Electronics can be so distracting - frequently blamed and in fact usually at fault.
Thanks to all!
At least thats how it was when my SAS was broken. Its possible that the angle difference is so small that the computer is being confused... but with the SAS off, it should not be doing the jumping thing.
I still highly suspect that your alignment is off.
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After an engine replacement, which involves separating the body from the chassis, my 06 Z06 will jerk to the left and right. This happens every 20 min or so. The car also "tracks" the road, small but noticeable, when there is no uneven pavement. At highway speeds this is very unnerving . I imagine at track speeds, this will cost control.
The active handling (AH) is turned off via unplugging the steering sensor, which has worked well for years. I checked the suspension, steering rack wheels and brakes. Everything is tight. I have no idea what could cause this. It may be something else unrelated.
There is some occasional banging in the passenger rear wheel area, but on my lift I cannot see anything loose, sway bars and so forth. Any ideas?
Please keep in mind this thread is about keeping the AH disconnected for the track.
The active handling (AH) is turned off via unplugging the steering sensor, which has worked well for years. I checked the suspension, steering rack wheels and brakes. Everything is tight. I have no idea what could cause this. It may be something else unrelated.
There is some occasional banging in the passenger rear wheel area, but on my lift I cannot see anything loose, sway bars and so forth. Any ideas?
Please keep in mind this thread is about keeping the AH disconnected for the track.
I experienced "auto-steering" as well. I was under the GM Certified Warranty (bought my Vette used GM Certified). I received ABS service messages. Also, traction control messages I think. It was very annoying. Eventually, the main culprit was the steering angle sensor (defective). Maybe they also replaced a control unit. But for sure, they had to replace the steering angle sensor. That issue is long gone.