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Old 03-16-2015, 09:29 AM
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I just set the cruise control to 5 over until a rabbit goes by. Then I will pace him while keeping an eye on my rear view mirrors to make sure I'm not being paced by a LEO.

Have only had one speeding ticket which was in 1980.
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I just got an Escort Passport Max2 and I love the thing! The Escort Live app is amazing as well! I took a long trip a couple weekends ago and the app alone saved my butt a bunch of times! Well worth the investment so far!
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Am I understanding this right? With LIDAR the V1 won't pick it up even if the LEO hits someone else with it up ahead of you, say 1/4 mile?
Old 03-16-2015, 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by trebor8008
Am I understanding this right? With LIDAR the V1 won't pick it up even if the LEO hits someone else with it up ahead of you, say 1/4 mile?
This is true most of the time. The laser is a very tightly focused beam that can hit part of one car at a time, so if the operator is careful, he can hit one car without hitting others around it. Radar is a very wide and uncontrolled beam (think of a flashlight beam on a very foggy night) that will go out and go much farther than the victim vehicle.
The disadvantage of laser is that the operator must be sitting still and must be looking through a what is essentially a telescopic sight. Radar can be used while moving, can be shot easily forward and aft and can be used while the operator is doing something else like paperwork etc. Laser requires significantly more effort and involvement from the operator.

All this is true for any detector, not just the V1.
Old 03-16-2015, 01:13 PM
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One thing to remember is that the 9500ix has slower DSP than the V1 when it comes to Quick Trigger "attacks." This means that you could be hit with an I/O (Instant On) Ka-band wave, and the 9500ix might miss it completely because it "had its back turned" for that split second (has to do with its oscillation factor). You'd be none the wiser. In that sense the V1 is far better than the 9500ix, and even the Passport 8500 has faster DSP/faster oscillation factor than the 9500ix. Yes, the Passport 8500 is a better RD than the 9500ix if you don't care about the 9500's GPS features. If you do your research, then you will easily confirm what it is that I am saying.

BECAUSE YOU LIVE IN VA, you should know that radar detectors are illegal there. There are devices the police have called RDDs (Radar Detector Detectors). If they sniff yours out, they can ticket you just because you have one. In this case, getting a shielded/stealth RD like the Beltronics STi Driver Magnum may be a better decision for you than the 9500ix and/or 8500.

AND, LASTLY, everybody here should know that the ONLY way to prevent against LIDAR hits is by having laser scramblers installed on your car (like the Escort ZR4 shifter/Laser ShifterPro). And yes, they are the real deal. They work.

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Old 03-16-2015, 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Old Ben
I just set the cruise control to 5 over until a rabbit goes by. Then I will pace him while keeping an eye on my rear view mirrors to make sure I'm not being paced by a LEO.

Have only had one speeding ticket which was in 1980.

Love the "pace car" concept

For years I've had an old "Solo" that I bought used for about $150. Seems to pick up the local LEOs quite well. I rarely do more than 9 MPH more than the posted limit consciously, and cannot remember my last speeding ticket...

Interstate entry and exit ramps are fun.
Old 03-17-2015, 12:42 AM
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My Escorts have paid for themselves many times over, however I must remind (as many others have) that instant-on laser is tough to defeat. I have received detector warnings when a LEO lasered a car well in front of me.

I recommend the Blendmount for the 9500 series, attaching to your rear view mirror. Check out the web site for other items available to complement the Escort.

Anyone with experience with the Laser Shifter Pro option?
Old 03-17-2015, 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Delco DSOM
Love the "pace car" concept

For years I've had an old "Solo" that I bought used for about $150. Seems to pick up the local LEOs quite well. I rarely do more than 9 MPH more than the posted limit consciously, and cannot remember my last speeding ticket...

Interstate entry and exit ramps are fun.
It works best with a Trans Am and a guy named Bandit driving.
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Originally Posted by bolivar
I just recently did a ride-along with a policeman. I think LARRYT above noted this, which is something I did not know until the ride-along. I thought radar would pick up the front vehicle. The policeman told me it can pick the fastest car out of a pack, and tell him which one it is.
I will preface this by saying that in this world things can and do change rapidly but......I have been "radar certified" as all LEO's must be to issue tickets using radar. Also the technology out there is pretty clear. Doppler radar sends out a signal that bounces off a target and is returned to an antenna. The radar beam itself does not discriminate by speed, only by size. In other words the speed sent back to the radar unit that is read by the officer is seeing the speed of the largest target that reflects back the signal. The radar itself does not know which vehicle is being targeted. That is why it is important for radar on an Interstate highway to have a clear path to a single vehicle whose speed is being measured. The officer must be able to testify that the radar was reporting the speed of the vehicle the officer was looking at. For example: If a Corvette is in front of a moving van it may just be that the radar is picking up the signature of the van and not the Corvette because the radar only sees the largest target in its field of view. If the Corvette is far enough in front of the truck to have it's "picture" show up on the radar's antenna then the computer will display the Corvett's speed. It's really simple if you think about it. If a Corvette is traveling in back of a moving van the radar doesn't even see the Corvette if it was coming up real close behind the truck because it is hidden. No way the speed of the vehicle can be determined as the radar only "sees" the biggest target in its field of view. Now, I'm not doubting that the officer your rode with thinks that his radar can pick up the fastest car on the road but.....he is doing an injustice to the public he is sworn to defend.
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Originally Posted by bolivar

I just recently did a ride-along with a policeman. I think LARRYT above noted this, which is something I did not know until the ride-along. I thought radar would pick up the front vehicle. The policeman told me it can pick the fastest car out of a pack, and tell him which one it is.



Case in point I paid $482 to GA on I 75 and was lazed with two cars in front and one side and one behind. Close to mile marker 80. The Wase app warned me (passed a LEO on the other side that had someone stopped) and then the detector went off for under a quarter second to let me know I had been clocked. County LEO and that county writes more speeding tickets than any other county in GA.

Lesson learned is that GA has a "Super Speeder" $200 add on to any speeding ticket more the 15 over, they work both sides of the road in that section of I75 hard and instant on speed detection devices are a match for everything but something like the Wase App.
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Here in Fl they use an overpass with timing marks painted on the road so you have no warning other than WAZE or drivers flashing headlights. They sometimes have 10 chase cars and one timer.
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Originally Posted by CHEV AGAIN
I am on the fence about a detector, I am not planning to drive in Va. and realize that if you're hit with laser it's merely an early warning device for the ticket. BUT we're taking a trip this summer and I'm wondering if it might save me some grief? I do like gadgets, but.. My eye is on the Escort 9500ix
Thanks for your input

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Old 03-17-2015, 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Richard Ames
Originally Posted by bolivar

I just recently did a ride-along with a policeman. I think LARRYT above noted this, which is something I did not know until the ride-along. I thought radar would pick up the front vehicle. The policeman told me it can pick the fastest car out of a pack, and tell him which one it is.



Case in point I paid $482 to GA on I 75 and was lazed with two cars in front and one side and one behind. Close to mile marker 80. The Wase app warned me (passed a LEO on the other side that had someone stopped) and then the detector went off for under a quarter second to let me know I had been clocked. County LEO and that county writes more speeding tickets than any other county in GA.

Lesson learned is that GA has a "Super Speeder" $200 add on to any speeding ticket more the 15 over, they work both sides of the road in that section of I75 hard and instant on speed detection devices are a match for everything but something like the Wase App.
Cop radar cannot do that. It picks up the "best" target which is usually the closest, but if two are in close proximity, the one with the best return=usually the largest, is what it reads. Only track while scan radar--Air Force, Navy, FAA...can discriminate. Traffic cops, that is highway robbers with badges, don't always tell the truth. Especially in known speed trap areas.
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Originally Posted by corvetteflier
Cop radar cannot do that. It picks up the "best" target which is usually the closest, but if two are in close proximity, the one with the best return=usually the largest, is what it reads. Only track while scan radar--Air Force, Navy, FAA...can discriminate. Traffic cops, that is highway robbers with badges, don't always tell the truth. Especially in known speed trap areas.
We were passing the same area a couple days later and they had two white SUV's stopped and we were stopped while driving a white SUV (Dodge Durango) and my spouse said they were profiling white SUVs. Understand your doubting but I think I may have been the only out of state car which could have been a factor and not likely to defend the ticket. Either way $482
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Around here -East Texas- law enforcement drive with their radar on ALL the time, so it's nice to know when there is a cop around. Learn how to use it and don't abuse the limit. I don't drive without it.
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Originally Posted by corvetteflier
Cop radar cannot do that. It picks up the "best" target which is usually the closest, but if two are in close proximity, the one with the best return=usually the largest, is what it reads. Only track while scan radar--Air Force, Navy, FAA...can discriminate. Traffic cops, that is highway robbers with badges, don't always tell the truth. Especially in known speed trap areas.
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Originally Posted by corvetteflier
Cop radar cannot do that. It picks up the "best" target which is usually the closest, but if two are in close proximity, the one with the best return=usually the largest, is what it reads. Only track while scan radar--Air Force, Navy, FAA...can discriminate. Traffic cops, that is highway robbers with badges, don't always tell the truth. Especially in known speed trap areas.
Some police radar can track two cars, one is the strongest return signal and the other being the fastest vehicle. http://www.stalkerradar.com/law_dsr.shtml

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Originally Posted by florida john
My Escorts have paid for themselves many times over, however I must remind (as many others have) that instant-on laser is tough to defeat. I have received detector warnings when a LEO lasered a car well in front of me.

I recommend the Blendmount for the 9500 series, attaching to your rear view mirror. Check out the web site for other items available to complement the Escort.

Anyone with experience with the Laser Shifter Pro option?
Forget about the Escort Laser Shifter Pro. The AL Priority is much better.

http://www.raletc.com/2014/09/raletc...sting-results/
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Originally Posted by KeepRightPassLeft
Some police radar can track two cars, one is the strongest return signal and the other being the fastest vehicle. http://www.stalkerradar.com/law_dsr.shtml
Thanks for posting this. I went to the link and it says it can display the strongest return AND the FASTEST return.

So.... What my county policeman ride-along said seems to be correct and a lot of people on here are not correct.....
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Originally Posted by bolivar
Thanks for posting this. I went to the link and it says it can display the strongest return AND the FASTEST return.

So.... What my county policeman ride-along said seems to be correct and a lot of people on here are not correct.....
Yes, there is a lot of incorrect information posted in many of the radar detector threads on this forum.


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