How fast is fast?
07-25-2014, 04:27 PM
#41
Drifting
Back in the late 60's mid 13's in the quarter mile was about it for a stock, very high end, big block muscle car on standard tires. And that includes 427 Vettes and 426 Hemi Mopars. These are iconic performance cars and were considered brutally fast in their day. By that measure a '97 C5 is a very very fast car (let's be honest, a M6 C5 is all you'd ever really need) and any LS3 C6 is just stupid fast at a mid 12 second quarter mile. Will it end any time soon? I don't think so. Those old muscle cars were not easy to live with, they stank, they sucked gas, didn't handle, wouldn't stop and were not very good as a daily driver. Today's performance car is very easy to live with and most of them even get decent gas mileage. For many drivers the goal is to have track level performance in a livable road car, if that's the goal I don't think the end is in sight. I have a 2011 GS and I like a twisty road as much as the next guy but you really have to pick your spots to safely exploit its capabilities on public roads. A 2015 ZO6 with the ZO7 package has just got to be insane on the street. Do you need it no, do you want it? A lot of folks do.
I've had lots of these cars back in the day. Gas was .25 a gallon so nobody cared if they were gas hogs. My 396 Chevelle SS was a great daily driver. Comfortable and fast. Cornering and braking not so much, but comparable to everything else.
Today, they build race cars that can be driven on the street. People buy them for bragging rights or just to look at. If you drive them on public roads at more than 6/10 on public roads for any amount of time you won't keep a license long and probably not your life.
07-25-2014, 04:30 PM
#42
I do not care what Dodge says. There is no way in hell even with 707 HP that a car weighing 4500 pounds rolling on 275's is going to run an 11.2. LOL. The 12.0 sounds a lot more on par. 11.2 is laughable.
07-25-2014, 05:03 PM
#44
Safety Car
I think they got it into high 10's with just a drag radial swap, and like 11.3x on the factory tires. Sorry to have to tell you this, but the 4500lb car moves.
07-25-2014, 05:18 PM
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We had a '66 Chevelle in 1970 with a big block, car was on a diet and it was prepped for the strip, running low 10's and high 9's.
We knew how to make things go, even back then.
07-25-2014, 05:27 PM
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Tires held back most performance "muscle" cars back in the 60's. If you analyze their 1/4 mile times you find they were slow getting off the line but improved from there.
I've had lots of these cars back in the day. Gas was .25 a gallon so nobody cared if they were gas hogs. My 396 Chevelle SS was a great daily driver. Comfortable and fast. Cornering and braking not so much, but comparable to everything else.
Today, they build race cars that can be driven on the street. People buy them for bragging rights or just to look at. If you drive them on public roads at more than 6/10 on public roads for any amount of time you won't keep a license long and probably not your life.
I've had lots of these cars back in the day. Gas was .25 a gallon so nobody cared if they were gas hogs. My 396 Chevelle SS was a great daily driver. Comfortable and fast. Cornering and braking not so much, but comparable to everything else.
Today, they build race cars that can be driven on the street. People buy them for bragging rights or just to look at. If you drive them on public roads at more than 6/10 on public roads for any amount of time you won't keep a license long and probably not your life.
Don't ever diss the old muscle cars. We knew how to make them go.
07-25-2014, 05:30 PM
#48
Safety Car
Hellcat did 10.85 on drag radials and 11.2 on stock oem tires.
http://blog.caranddriver.com/0-to-13...-14-mile-time/
http://blog.caranddriver.com/0-to-13...-14-mile-time/
Look at the 3.06 mark in the video. The time is shown there. 10.85
07-25-2014, 05:48 PM
#49
Burning Brakes
Equipped with the ($1,995) TorqueFlite 8-speed automatic transmission, the Challenger Hellcat tips the scales at substantial 4,439 lbs. Ironically, the Hellcat fitted with the 6-speed manual is slightly heavier, weighing in at 4,449 lbs., due in part to the fitment of an external oil cooler and stronger clutch.
07-25-2014, 05:50 PM
#50
Instructor
Radar Detector!!!
Hi
As time goes by it is harder and harder to open up any vehicle for the fear of getting a ticket.
From 0-60 it is probably safe getting on a highway but anywhere else you are flirting with a ticket.
What i am trying to say is when is enough, enough?
The LS2 has 400 hp the LS3 has 430hp do you really think that you can tell the diff without a timing device?
The push should be on better brakes and handling options.
Now the C-7 has 450hp
Where is this going to end?
Maybe better radar detectors?
Alan
As time goes by it is harder and harder to open up any vehicle for the fear of getting a ticket.
From 0-60 it is probably safe getting on a highway but anywhere else you are flirting with a ticket.
What i am trying to say is when is enough, enough?
The LS2 has 400 hp the LS3 has 430hp do you really think that you can tell the diff without a timing device?
The push should be on better brakes and handling options.
Now the C-7 has 450hp
Where is this going to end?
Maybe better radar detectors?
Alan
07-25-2014, 05:54 PM
#51
Burning Brakes
Than this 11.2/10.8 stuff comes out, I think that's a bit optimistic. Maybe a bonzai launch on DR's with a barrel of VHT each run.
I think its sweet if it does that, not about to bash something w/ that much power. But can you imagine what the c7 zo6 is going to do w/ 1000lbs less weight+an 8 speed auto?
07-25-2014, 07:18 PM
#53
Safety Car
Just look no further than the '68 Hemi Cuda's and Dart's in the NHRA that run Super Stock A or AAutomatic and dominated the class. They are race prepped to NHRA stock specs but with chassis and tires that are race set up. They run 8.30's at mid 150 mph, using late 60's engine and transmission technology.
Don't ever diss the old muscle cars. We knew how to make them go.
Don't ever diss the old muscle cars. We knew how to make them go.
07-25-2014, 07:23 PM
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Safety Car
Equipped with the ($1,995) TorqueFlite 8-speed automatic transmission, the Challenger Hellcat tips the scales at substantial 4,439 lbs. Ironically, the Hellcat fitted with the 6-speed manual is slightly heavier, weighing in at 4,449 lbs., due in part to the fitment of an external oil cooler and stronger clutch.
07-25-2014, 07:28 PM
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Hi
As time goes by it is harder and harder to open up any vehicle for the fear of getting a ticket.
From 0-60 it is probably safe getting on a highway but anywhere else you are flirting with a ticket.
What i am trying to say is when is enough, enough?
The LS2 has 400 hp the LS3 has 430hp do you really think that you can tell the diff without a timing device?
The push should be on better brakes and handling options.
Now the C-7 has 450hp
Where is this going to end?
Maybe better radar detectors?
Alan
As time goes by it is harder and harder to open up any vehicle for the fear of getting a ticket.
From 0-60 it is probably safe getting on a highway but anywhere else you are flirting with a ticket.
What i am trying to say is when is enough, enough?
The LS2 has 400 hp the LS3 has 430hp do you really think that you can tell the diff without a timing device?
The push should be on better brakes and handling options.
Now the C-7 has 450hp
Where is this going to end?
Maybe better radar detectors?
Alan
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07-25-2014, 09:34 PM
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I went to the strip a lot in the very early 70's. I saw those cars run. I was a big fan of the Gasser division. They were only running 9's and 10's then. IIRC, the Gassers were just a bit faster than super stocks. And Funny cars were running in the mid 7's.. The alcohol dragsters were running in the 8's at that time. That said, I don't think that the super stockers were running low 8's in the early 70's. Late 70's, ....maybe.
07-25-2014, 11:24 PM
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