All Corvettes are automatics
05-20-2013, 07:29 PM
#201
05-20-2013, 07:56 PM
#202
Race Director
05-20-2013, 07:58 PM
#203
The Z06 didnt hit the market in 05, most people buy the base to race, its lighter, its actually known as a C6 C6Z51 C6Z06 C6ZR1. if i look for parts it never says base c6 it says c6 zo6 zr1 grandsport, only base brakes, so i guess to get your opinion across you need to re write the manuals
05-20-2013, 08:03 PM
#204
Race Director
05-20-2013, 08:09 PM
#205
Race Director
i said most people buy the base to race because its lighter, i bought the fully loaded 1sb Z51 for my wife.
05-20-2013, 08:11 PM
#206
Drifting
I wonder why all the "high power" guys are buying heavy duty clutches for $2K and others are burning them up in smoke! I guess they can't handle the power. There are plenty of testimonies on this forum of guys running lots of increased power with bone stock automatics.
Everybody, repeat: everybody knows the fastest 1/4 mile cars in the world run automatic transmissions...period!
Last edited by ParisTNDude; 05-20-2013 at 08:17 PM.
05-20-2013, 08:23 PM
#208
Melting Slicks
05-20-2013, 08:37 PM
#209
Safety Car
05-20-2013, 08:38 PM
#210
Drifting
most manual owners (including myself) don't claim that a stick is faster or better in certain applications.
To summarize a few points...
What I will say is rowing the gears is more of an experience you get with a sports car.
An auto will never feel the same as a true manual transmission with clutch.
Auto you just hit the gas and hold on. A monkey can do it. No fun.
Z06/ZR1 autos?
Sometimes it's not about what's the fastest but what's the most fun. I had a DSG in my Audi before the Corvette and I've driven the other fancy DCTs and they still have a ways to go to fully replace a manual transmission.
Another example, GT-R is a phenomenal car but feels lifeless with the auto. Is it quick? Absolutely! Fun...debatable at best. Give me a 240hp S2000 and I'll have more fun in the twisties with that than a GT-R and at half the horsepower.
To summarize a few points...
What I will say is rowing the gears is more of an experience you get with a sports car.
An auto will never feel the same as a true manual transmission with clutch.
Auto you just hit the gas and hold on. A monkey can do it. No fun.
Z06/ZR1 autos?
Sometimes it's not about what's the fastest but what's the most fun. I had a DSG in my Audi before the Corvette and I've driven the other fancy DCTs and they still have a ways to go to fully replace a manual transmission.
Another example, GT-R is a phenomenal car but feels lifeless with the auto. Is it quick? Absolutely! Fun...debatable at best. Give me a 240hp S2000 and I'll have more fun in the twisties with that than a GT-R and at half the horsepower.
I'm sure the decision for auto/manual is simply a personal preference, so the argument is all personal opinion and good discussion.
05-20-2013, 09:01 PM
#211
Safety Car
By the way, the fastest cars in the world are usually manually shifted clutch packs and not actually a transmission at all designed by Lenco, so I suppose in your experience, some of the fastest cars in the galaxy may be automatics, you're just missing the mark on this one.
http://www.lencoracing.com/CS1MasterPage.html
This discussion is as old as the first automatic transmissions. It's surprising to see so many people get so upset over such a benign topic.
I prefer a manual, I drive it well, and I can guarantee during my shifts you're not "gaining half a car length." More like a bumper, and my more aggressive gearing will make that back in approximately .05 seconds.
On the other hand, yes, automatics can very consistently run 1/4 mile times faster than a manual can consistently run 1/4 mile times, but I can bet you, at the end of the day, your best time isn't as quick as mine, and my trap speed will likely be higher, but my best and my worst may be more than 1/2 a second or more off. Yours on the other hand will probably all be within a few 1/10ths of each other.
Drive what you like, but the fact of the matter is with a competent driver behind two identical cars with a manual and an auto, they'll run nearly identically.
Talk to Ranger if you want to know about some of the fastest vehicles that are "showroom stock." He drives a manual like no one's business and has several untouched records.
http://www.rangeracceleration.com/Driver_Cred.html
Enjoy your autos and your manuals and have a pleasant day waving at your fellow Corvette drivers. Try to stay safe if you're in the storm zone, I know I am.
Last edited by ProfessorDeath; 05-20-2013 at 09:06 PM.
05-20-2013, 09:28 PM
#212
Race Director
05-20-2013, 09:38 PM
#214
Race Director
Yes, because comparing your 400hp LS2 or 430hp LS3 car with an automatic transmission that runs low 12's at ~115mph to an nitromethane top fuel drag car that runs 7000hp, low 4 second 1/4 mile times at over 300mph is definitely apples to apples.
By the way, the fastest cars in the world are usually manually shifted clutch packs and not actually a transmission at all designed by Lenco, so I suppose in your experience, some of the fastest cars in the galaxy may be automatics, you're just missing the mark on this one.
http://www.lencoracing.com/CS1MasterPage.html
This discussion is as old as the first automatic transmissions. It's surprising to see so many people get so upset over such a benign topic.
I prefer a manual, I drive it well, and I can guarantee during my shifts you're not "gaining half a car length." More like a bumper, and my more aggressive gearing will make that back in approximately .05 seconds.
On the other hand, yes, automatics can very consistently run 1/4 mile times faster than a manual can consistently run 1/4 mile times, but I can bet you, at the end of the day, your best time isn't as quick as mine, and my trap speed will likely be higher, but my best and my worst may be more than 1/2 a second or more off. Yours on the other hand will probably all be within a few 1/10ths of each other.
Drive what you like, but the fact of the matter is with a competent driver behind two identical cars with a manual and an auto, they'll run nearly identically.
Talk to Ranger if you want to know about some of the fastest vehicles that are "showroom stock." He drives a manual like no one's business and has several untouched records.
http://www.rangeracceleration.com/Driver_Cred.html
Enjoy your autos and your manuals and have a pleasant day waving at your fellow Corvette drivers. Try to stay safe if you're in the storm zone, I know I am.
By the way, the fastest cars in the world are usually manually shifted clutch packs and not actually a transmission at all designed by Lenco, so I suppose in your experience, some of the fastest cars in the galaxy may be automatics, you're just missing the mark on this one.
http://www.lencoracing.com/CS1MasterPage.html
This discussion is as old as the first automatic transmissions. It's surprising to see so many people get so upset over such a benign topic.
I prefer a manual, I drive it well, and I can guarantee during my shifts you're not "gaining half a car length." More like a bumper, and my more aggressive gearing will make that back in approximately .05 seconds.
On the other hand, yes, automatics can very consistently run 1/4 mile times faster than a manual can consistently run 1/4 mile times, but I can bet you, at the end of the day, your best time isn't as quick as mine, and my trap speed will likely be higher, but my best and my worst may be more than 1/2 a second or more off. Yours on the other hand will probably all be within a few 1/10ths of each other.
Drive what you like, but the fact of the matter is with a competent driver behind two identical cars with a manual and an auto, they'll run nearly identically.
Talk to Ranger if you want to know about some of the fastest vehicles that are "showroom stock." He drives a manual like no one's business and has several untouched records.
http://www.rangeracceleration.com/Driver_Cred.html
Enjoy your autos and your manuals and have a pleasant day waving at your fellow Corvette drivers. Try to stay safe if you're in the storm zone, I know I am.
05-20-2013, 09:54 PM
#216
Safety Car
Now stock for stock? Time to get serious.
05-20-2013, 10:02 PM
#218
Race Director
Hammering technical roads with that slush box and sort of sorry excuse for paddle shifting is a contradiction.
05-20-2013, 10:22 PM
#220
Melting Slicks
There is no question that a stick is cool for old school. Today the fastest cars in the world are automatics of some sort so yes all Corvettes are automatics or they should be. I think a trans tune would make believers out of most people. Wish GM would do something about that. If it weren't for CAFE.