the dreaded swirls.....GONE
04-01-2013, 10:34 PM
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no pics - don't matter.
With swirl marks, the only way to be sure they are gone is to view in person in direct sunlight. It's easy to put up pics making it look like the swirls are gone when in reality - there can be a sh!tload of them
To the OP - did you do it by hand or with a polisher ?
With swirl marks, the only way to be sure they are gone is to view in person in direct sunlight. It's easy to put up pics making it look like the swirls are gone when in reality - there can be a sh!tload of them
To the OP - did you do it by hand or with a polisher ?
04-02-2013, 04:48 AM
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Ok. Error in op. first was megulars swirl remover #9 followed by megulars machine glaze #3. Then I used a product called liquid glass and finally caraunuba wax. I bought megulars at their website. Liquid glass online. As for the megulars ultra cut compound can kill the clear coat if not SUPER careful and it is a heavy duty compound not necessary to most cars. Mine included. Once you get the paint back in condition, regular polishing and waxing quarterly should maintain the glass like finish. I did not need to use a clay bar except around wheel wells. I had little to no contaminants in my paint. Less IMHO is ALWAYS more when it comes to restoration. The last thing you want is a heavy hand or a product that is too abrasive. Both just can kill the paint and clear coat.
As soon as I can I will take pix.
As soon as I can I will take pix.
04-02-2013, 04:49 AM
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no pics - don't matter.
With swirl marks, the only way to be sure they are gone is to view in person in direct sunlight. It's easy to put up pics making it look like the swirls are gone when in reality - there can be a sh!tload of them
To the OP - did you do it by hand or with a polisher ?
With swirl marks, the only way to be sure they are gone is to view in person in direct sunlight. It's easy to put up pics making it look like the swirls are gone when in reality - there can be a sh!tload of them
To the OP - did you do it by hand or with a polisher ?
04-02-2013, 04:51 AM
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no pics - don't matter.
With swirl marks, the only way to be sure they are gone is to view in person in direct sunlight. It's easy to put up pics making it look like the swirls are gone when in reality - there can be a sh!tload of them
To the OP - did you do it by hand or with a polisher ?
With swirl marks, the only way to be sure they are gone is to view in person in direct sunlight. It's easy to put up pics making it look like the swirls are gone when in reality - there can be a sh!tload of them
To the OP - did you do it by hand or with a polisher ?
04-02-2013, 04:59 AM
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According to my research most swirl marks are in clear coat only unless you can feel them with a fingernail rub. Mine you could not. What I did was buff out the superficial scratches (swirls) and then built up the clear coat to prevent further erosion. Agreed....shy of a new paint job it will never be factory new but the swirl marks come from (as my research told me) aggressive handling of paint. I.e. products that are too abrasive or too heavy a hand. Either or both will cause damage to paint. Better to use less abrasive products and a light hand and do it four times than a heavy product once. Vitally important is polishing to build up heavy clear layer then, while most people skip wax due to build up, my research showed wax to be a critical part of protecting the clear coat you just worked so hard to rebuild.
04-02-2013, 05:03 AM
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That ultra cut compound is SUPER aggressive and my best guess is that long term you are killing your paint. There really shouldn't be many "normal" cases that such an abrasive compound is necessary. IMHO anyway. You won't know it in the short run but a few years down the road you're going to have no clear coat left on your car.
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Ok. Took pix. Hard to really show. But you can see the clouds in the paint. I tried to angle a few shots close up. It's the best I could do other than you all just taking me at my word. Here you go.
04-02-2013, 08:55 AM
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OK, have been lurking on some swirl threads, did some research and decided to go with Meguilars (sp?) swirl remover #2 then #9.....finished with liquid glass and finally a coat (or two) of pure (I know, it isn't pure) Carnuba wax.....two laps with swirl remover. Two laps with #9.....one lap with liquid glass and two laps with wax. Took two days (the old grey mare just aint what she used to be).....but went out in the rain and came home with not a single rain drop or water mark.....it is amazing just how out of shape my paint was.....had no idea other than the swirls were making me crazy......
I KNOW IM GONNA GET CHIT FOR NO PICTURES.....didn't occur to me until after I was done.....and I AM the wife, so can't do pictures of the wife either - lol.....sorry. But the procedure worked wonders. My car is Victory Red.....looks brand new. I WILL take pix (if I remember) when the sun finally reaches New Jersey.....apparently it got stuck somewhere in PA.....or New York....???? Either way, it hasn't reached my house yet. All the info on this forum rocks.....
I KNOW IM GONNA GET CHIT FOR NO PICTURES.....didn't occur to me until after I was done.....and I AM the wife, so can't do pictures of the wife either - lol.....sorry. But the procedure worked wonders. My car is Victory Red.....looks brand new. I WILL take pix (if I remember) when the sun finally reaches New Jersey.....apparently it got stuck somewhere in PA.....or New York....???? Either way, it hasn't reached my house yet. All the info on this forum rocks.....
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That ultra cut compound is SUPER aggressive and my best guess is that long term you are killing your paint. There really shouldn't be many "normal" cases that such an abrasive compound is necessary. IMHO anyway. You won't know it in the short run but a few years down the road you're going to have no clear coat left on your car.
That is why that bottle is almost full. I use it for "Oh $hits" on the car. Usually the fine cut does the job nicely.
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04-02-2013, 09:46 AM
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My local auto parts stores (advanced auto parts and padik auto) both carry megular products but very limited. I could not get number 9or 3 not could I get liquid glass. I'd say search a vendor on forum or google for somewhere that has free shipping. They are everywhere. And many sites offer free shipping over a certain dollars amount.
04-02-2013, 09:53 AM
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My local auto parts stores (advanced auto parts and padik auto) both carry megular products but very limited. I could not get number 9or 3 not could I get liquid glass. I'd say search a vendor on forum or google for somewhere that has free shipping. They are everywhere. And many sites offer free shipping over a certain dollars amount.
04-02-2013, 09:55 AM
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actually #9 is the swirl remover--#2 is a moderately aggressive compund--i usually use #3 ,much lighter. I also use Liquid glass--its best to put on multiple coats, i usually put at least 6--its a chemical treatment, not a wax. In the car tha had lots of swirls i went to several detailers who said they wouldnt orbital buff it beacuse it would take off too much clear,and the car would look vey bad in couple years--he showed me his car and it looked terrible.This was on an 85K caddy STSV--dont know if vettes have more clear, but for me i hand buff just in case--the Liquid glass pretty much fills in the swirls and you really cant see them.
04-02-2013, 10:01 AM
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I had an oh $hit on my rear fender. About three runs with the swirl remover took care of it. And once I polished it then followed with liquid glass it was fine. I'm SO afraid to use anything abrasive because I cannot afford a new paint job and I tend to be heavy handed! But we all do what works for us. Some people use dish detergent to wash their cats. I won't do that either because the agents in it are formulated to break down dirt and grease (clear coat). Whatever works right?
04-02-2013, 10:11 AM
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Arrie, I have used the #9 and # 2 in the past until I tried the new 105 or 205, depending on the severity of the swirls. I use with an LC orange pad on a Porter cable RO. Great products and extremely easy to use. My torch red C5, I coat of 105, one coat of 205, followed by one coat of NXT wax by meguiars as well, and the car really came out perfectly. I have yet to apply a swirl remover to my 08 Jet Stream blue C6 as the paint is in good shape. Presently trying Zaino Z5. It looks very good but I am sure it would look good with most any decent product. Your car looks great, sounds like you put a lot of work into it..
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I had an oh $hit on my rear fender. About three runs with the swirl remover took care of it. And once I polished it then followed with liquid glass it was fine. I'm SO afraid to use anything abrasive because I cannot afford a new paint job and I tend to be heavy handed! But we all do what works for us. Some people use dish detergent to wash their cats. I won't do that either because the agents in it are formulated to break down dirt and grease (clear coat). Whatever works right?
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Arrie... A while back I had someone recommend to me Liquid Glass. I also learned its a product that has been around for quite sometime. How do you think it compares to some of the newer products such as Rejex, Zaino, etc. And what in particular do you prefer about Liquid Glass..??