Why go to non run flat tires?
03-30-2013, 09:40 PM
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I have Super Sports on my 11 GS Vert for about 4k miles right now. The car performs better in every category.
Blow outs are rare, extremely to be honest. Unless you hit something. One member here had run flats and hit something and still needed a toe truck eventually. 50 mile range is a joke out west anyway. You don't want to drive 50mph on the interstate out here. That is a good way to get killed.
Most leaks are slow leakers. I have a good air compressor in my car. I even carry it on long trips in my other cars. I also have a can of slime for the fast leaks and a repair kit. So generally I'm covered with the exception of a blowout.
The Super Sports are great in the rain, better overall performance, better ride, better than any run flat in the cold (probably because the side walls are not stiff), they are cheaper, quieter and I noticed a gas mileage increase of around 10%.
After 4k miles I lost about 1/32d of tread so I have another 6/32ds to I hit the bars, maybe 25-30k miles. Most max dry weather performance run flats won't last that long.
Grip is amazing with the Super Sports. Brand new I got them up to .87g on an onramp and I wasn't pushing them.
Michelin rates the Super Sport better in every category than the PS2 ZP on its website. Price difference is about $600. BStones run flats cost around the same as Super Sports.
Blow outs are rare, extremely to be honest. Unless you hit something. One member here had run flats and hit something and still needed a toe truck eventually. 50 mile range is a joke out west anyway. You don't want to drive 50mph on the interstate out here. That is a good way to get killed.
Most leaks are slow leakers. I have a good air compressor in my car. I even carry it on long trips in my other cars. I also have a can of slime for the fast leaks and a repair kit. So generally I'm covered with the exception of a blowout.
The Super Sports are great in the rain, better overall performance, better ride, better than any run flat in the cold (probably because the side walls are not stiff), they are cheaper, quieter and I noticed a gas mileage increase of around 10%.
After 4k miles I lost about 1/32d of tread so I have another 6/32ds to I hit the bars, maybe 25-30k miles. Most max dry weather performance run flats won't last that long.
Grip is amazing with the Super Sports. Brand new I got them up to .87g on an onramp and I wasn't pushing them.
Michelin rates the Super Sport better in every category than the PS2 ZP on its website. Price difference is about $600. BStones run flats cost around the same as Super Sports.
03-30-2013, 09:51 PM
#22
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Ugh ... Now I'm even MORE undecided about what to replace my crappy Goodyear RunFlats with . I was kinda set on Bridgestone Pole Positions for my 2010 GS , but man , you guys are making a serious case for non-RFT's and a compressor . So the bottom line is : I could save a bunch of money , get more grip when it's cold , and they're quieter and more comfortable .
I have commitment issues people . This post isn't helping .
Or is it ?
03-30-2013, 10:14 PM
#23
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Every car I have ever bought with run-flats were replaced with non-run-flats when the run flats were used up and some before that point.
Why?
The non-run-flat tires can perform and ride better while being cheaper. I carry a plug kit and an air compressor, anything that can't be fixed with these two is just a call to AAA away. I drive about 60k miles a year for business and have not needed AAA yet.
The Goodyears on my 2012 GS will be replaced with Michelin Super Sports when they give up
Why?
The non-run-flat tires can perform and ride better while being cheaper. I carry a plug kit and an air compressor, anything that can't be fixed with these two is just a call to AAA away. I drive about 60k miles a year for business and have not needed AAA yet.
The Goodyears on my 2012 GS will be replaced with Michelin Super Sports when they give up
03-30-2013, 10:55 PM
#24
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Firestones are decent but provide less grip than the GY RF. They also say Do Not Repair on the sidewall. One option for narrow body is the Super Sport RFT which should be out soon or the new AS3. I like PS2s but they look narrow.
03-31-2013, 04:36 AM
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I have Super Sports on my 11 GS Vert for about 4k miles right now. The car performs better in every category.
Blow outs are rare, extremely to be honest. Unless you hit something. One member here had run flats and hit something and still needed a toe truck eventually. 50 mile range is a joke out west anyway. You don't want to drive 50mph on the interstate out here. That is a good way to get killed.
Most leaks are slow leakers. I have a good air compressor in my car. I even carry it on long trips in my other cars. I also have a can of slime for the fast leaks and a repair kit. So generally I'm covered with the exception of a blowout.
The Super Sports are great in the rain, better overall performance, better ride, better than any run flat in the cold (probably because the side walls are not stiff), they are cheaper, quieter and I noticed a gas mileage increase of around 10%.
After 4k miles I lost about 1/32d of tread so I have another 6/32ds to I hit the bars, maybe 25-30k miles. Most max dry weather performance run flats won't last that long.
Grip is amazing with the Super Sports. Brand new I got them up to .87g on an onramp and I wasn't pushing them.
Michelin rates the Super Sport better in every category than the PS2 ZP on its website. Price difference is about $600. BStones run flats cost around the same as Super Sports.
Blow outs are rare, extremely to be honest. Unless you hit something. One member here had run flats and hit something and still needed a toe truck eventually. 50 mile range is a joke out west anyway. You don't want to drive 50mph on the interstate out here. That is a good way to get killed.
Most leaks are slow leakers. I have a good air compressor in my car. I even carry it on long trips in my other cars. I also have a can of slime for the fast leaks and a repair kit. So generally I'm covered with the exception of a blowout.
The Super Sports are great in the rain, better overall performance, better ride, better than any run flat in the cold (probably because the side walls are not stiff), they are cheaper, quieter and I noticed a gas mileage increase of around 10%.
After 4k miles I lost about 1/32d of tread so I have another 6/32ds to I hit the bars, maybe 25-30k miles. Most max dry weather performance run flats won't last that long.
Grip is amazing with the Super Sports. Brand new I got them up to .87g on an onramp and I wasn't pushing them.
Michelin rates the Super Sport better in every category than the PS2 ZP on its website. Price difference is about $600. BStones run flats cost around the same as Super Sports.
The main reason I switched from runflats to non-runflats is because I wanted a very high quality dual-purpose tire. I wanted to drive the car 3 seasons a year, have excellent grip on the street, but also be able to take it to the track and not be too depressed that I'm not running r-comps. Going to non-runflats opened up my tire options more. I don't know of any runflats that fit my criteria as well as the non-runflat alternatives. Also, given that I do intend to use these on my daily commute during the warm months as well as on the weekends for track/autocross duty, I don't expect them to last long. It's a little easier to stomach when the tires perform better than runflats at half the cost.
I shudder to think how much money I've given to Discount Tire over the years.
03-31-2013, 07:01 AM
#26
Melting Slicks
Run flats
Why can't you make up your mind? Why not Firestone if you are in a budget? Made by Bridgestone and less expensive. Saw a guy take in the dragon with Firestone and they were adequate
03-31-2013, 07:10 AM
#27
Drifting
I just put them on and have been impressed. They are an improvement over the PS2 which was one of the best tires Michelin ever made. The only other option for me was the Pilot Sport Cup, but don't think they made it in a 20".
