Corvette model rivalry...too damn many models!
11-18-2012, 07:21 PM
#41
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So let me repeat my question: which models should Chevrolet never have produced?
I assume the ZR1 and Z06 were huge mistakes because they went beyond mere engine and suspension variants. But was the Grand Sport also a mistake?
And why is it OK for Porsche and Mustang to offer a dozen different models but not Chevy?
I assume the ZR1 and Z06 were huge mistakes because they went beyond mere engine and suspension variants. But was the Grand Sport also a mistake?
And why is it OK for Porsche and Mustang to offer a dozen different models but not Chevy?
11-19-2012, 01:16 AM
#42
Le Mans Master
Thread Starter
So let me repeat my question: which models should Chevrolet never have produced?
I assume the ZR1 and Z06 were huge mistakes because they went beyond mere engine and suspension variants. But was the Grand Sport also a mistake?
And why is it OK for Porsche and Mustang to offer a dozen different models but not Chevy?
I assume the ZR1 and Z06 were huge mistakes because they went beyond mere engine and suspension variants. But was the Grand Sport also a mistake?
And why is it OK for Porsche and Mustang to offer a dozen different models but not Chevy?
11-19-2012, 01:48 AM
#43
Le Mans Master
Thread Starter
Don't you think the sticker price is inflated by about 12k to make it look like your getting a great deal when they knock 10k off. I dont think they played those games years ago as much.
It's kinda like buying furniture. We were out looking at living room sets today and wouldn't you know it, everything was 50% off the retail price...
It's kinda like buying furniture. We were out looking at living room sets today and wouldn't you know it, everything was 50% off the retail price...
MSRP on my car was $53,920 and the invoice was $49,055. That is only
$4865. Even adding the 3% holdback it's only around $6400. But with the $3000 loyalty rebate, $2000 rebate on '12's and $1500 dealer cash it totals $12,900. Well I did a grand better than that and wasn't charged for the $1175 worth of dealer installed items. The sales mgr. said it was a net loss of over 2 grand on this deal. He had 90 12's on his lot and they have to move them.
Furniture always had a huge markup from cost to retail.
11-19-2012, 06:08 AM
#45
Race Director
The general public really doesn t know the difference between a base or a ZR1 ..they just look at the car and the sticker. I bet as you drove off anyone whomsaw you thought for sure you car cost 126 grand.
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11-19-2012, 06:15 AM
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Ok lets switch "We" to "I". As far as GM being in the business to sell cars....didn't they get bailed out from the government as they were about to fold? And....Corvette sales are at their lowest in 50 years, this in spite of the 7 models and rebates and discounts galore!
Funny how I remember Corvette sales at or near sticker price for many years when they only had just a Coupe and Convertible that you could order with different engines, transmissions, axle ratios, suspensions and individual options. "I" like the old way better!
Funny how I remember Corvette sales at or near sticker price for many years when they only had just a Coupe and Convertible that you could order with different engines, transmissions, axle ratios, suspensions and individual options. "I" like the old way better!
11-19-2012, 06:20 AM
#47
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11-19-2012, 04:10 PM
#48
Race Director
I never said that any of the 7 models of Corvettes were/are a mistake. I am just saying that I don't think they need so many different models of Corvette. Why not have a Coupe, Convertible and a ZR1. In the Coupe and Convertible they could offer a higher performance engine as an option along with suspension, tire and other performance pkgs. If they did that they would cover what's available in the 7 models into 3.
I do respectfully disagree.
It's called market segmentation. Take the regular model and enhance or improve the same, then expand the potential
target audience by varying the "packaged" theme: narrow body, wide body, powertrain, appearance & option combinations,
etc.
Spread the cost of design & tooling over as many units-of-production as possible (this actually supports a profitable lower production level). The result is the "parts-bin" car concept: GS models or 427 'vert, for example (and I am not bashing either,
b-t-w).
The more choices, the more potential buyers. And that, IMO, is a good thing...
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11-19-2012, 04:20 PM
#49
Safety Car
wholeheartedly!!! Ninety % of the public has no clue how to differentiate a Corvette, and not just in model but in generation as well.
11-19-2012, 05:34 PM
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Team Owner
11-19-2012, 05:50 PM
#51
Team Owner
But it is the same with all the car manufactures, most people cannot tell the expensive Porsche from the other 7 models, who can tell the most expensive Aston Martin from the the others. All Mustangs look like crap, There are many, many more examples. A Corvette has to look like a Corvette.
In the Porsche lineup you have to admit there is a very distinct difference in body style among the different models.
11-19-2012, 05:56 PM
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11-19-2012, 06:14 PM
#53
Team Owner
Valid comment with many manufacturers but have to disagree with you on the Porsche. Many people may not know the most expensive model from the rest. But the point is there is a difference in looks and body styles unlike the Corvette where they all pretty much look the same.
In the Porsche lineup you have to admit there is a very distinct difference in body style among the different models.
In the Porsche lineup you have to admit there is a very distinct difference in body style among the different models.
. Except for the Carrera GT. 
11-19-2012, 07:13 PM
#55
Team Owner
No What I meant was there is the 911, Boxster, Cayenne, Cayman, and the Panamera. All with different looks that people on the street can see the difference. With the Vette they all look pretty much the same. That is all.
11-19-2012, 07:16 PM
#56
Yeah, well, I can tell a Camaro from an Equinox from a Malibu from a Corvette, too. What are we talking about again?
11-19-2012, 07:23 PM
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11-19-2012, 07:24 PM
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11-19-2012, 07:29 PM
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Team Owner
11-19-2012, 07:33 PM
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