When the C7 arrives will the base and GS C6 be both called just a C6?
11-18-2012, 07:12 PM
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[QUOTE=JKbride; It not semanantics, it what they are.[/QUOTE]
It not semantanics,it what they are?
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It not semantanics,it what they are?
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11-18-2012, 07:17 PM
#42
Melting Slicks
11-18-2012, 07:28 PM
#44
Melting Slicks
11-18-2012, 07:55 PM
#46
Race Director
I do agree that base is too vague, at least for me as it means no options and that could mean several models. Narrow body on the other hand describes a body style either coupe or vert. Gm calls them standards I call mine a narrow body. Just look how many aftermarket companies sell "wide body" conversions. I have owned vets since 1965 and I try to never put down anyone "New" to Corvettes or old timers for whatever they call their cars. We are all bound together by this great automobile, we should celebrate that and not nit pick over semantics.
There is no "Narrow Body", just a C6, coupe or convert.
There is no "Widebody" either, it's a C6 GS, coupe or convert or it's a C6 Z06 or C6 ZR1.
11-18-2012, 08:13 PM
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Here we go with semantics again. I know there is no wide body or narrow body or base either. But some people do use those terms to describe their cars in the written form to avoid confusion. As when someone posts about their c6 vert, and it never fails but someone will say, "be more specific is it a Grand sport or narrow body". I know there is no widebody either but google or search the forum using the words wide body conversion. There never was a 63 split window coupe either, just a coupe, but look what it's become. A split window just describes a specific C2.
11-19-2012, 12:29 AM
#49
Le Mans Master
Obviously, they are all C6s. But, five years from now a GrandSport will be worth more selling or as a trade. Basically, because the GS has more performance oriented equipment. And, it looks much better/more aggressive than the Base. 
11-19-2012, 01:05 AM
#51
Melting Slicks
http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/ca...e_track_page_7
Z06- 75.15
ZR1- 75.99
GS- 78.61
Base- 83.5
GS has better tires and brakes that really help it out on the track. I think a base car with those upgrades would be at least as quick on the track (test weight was 100lbs higher on the GS than the base, both fully loaded).
As for the rest of the thread, I really don't get it. Are that many base C6 owners so ashamed of their cars that they want all C6s to be considered the same? The C7 isn't going to magically change a GS car into a narrow base car or vice versa. Their is still a C5 Z06, C5 FRC, C4 ZR1, etc...why would we group them as one? Might as well just call it a Chevy and be done with it
Z06- 75.15
ZR1- 75.99
GS- 78.61
Base- 83.5
GS has better tires and brakes that really help it out on the track. I think a base car with those upgrades would be at least as quick on the track (test weight was 100lbs higher on the GS than the base, both fully loaded).
As for the rest of the thread, I really don't get it. Are that many base C6 owners so ashamed of their cars that they want all C6s to be considered the same? The C7 isn't going to magically change a GS car into a narrow base car or vice versa. Their is still a C5 Z06, C5 FRC, C4 ZR1, etc...why would we group them as one? Might as well just call it a Chevy and be done with it
but CD says base 2 sec slower than a Z06and Z about 2 sec slower than Zr1 in its comparison,which seems a little more realistic..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRU5zSpdnlI..
so go figure...i have drivin' all 3 and owned a c6Z06 and currently a base z51 with sticky tires..its not 5 sec slower...but whatever.............
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11-19-2012, 02:56 AM
#52
Safety Car
What I am trying to say will all the chatter about base, narrow, GS, Z51, ZR1, ZO6 ,1LT, 2LT, 3LT, 4LT ETC. be just grouped together as nothing special within the generation C6 because everything will be the WOW factor with the C7 being the MAIN FOCUS for the vette world.The C4'S seemed to be all grouped together as is the C5'S. As of now all C6 cars seem to be grouped in different levels and grades best worrst etc. when we know they are all just a C6 vette!
You're trying to make something out of nothing.
Now we both have our thread count up. So what.
11-19-2012, 01:21 PM
#54
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R & T comes up with its time..Zr1 slower than the Z wierd comparison...
but CD says base 2 sec slower than a Z06and Z about 2 sec slower than Zr1 in its comparison,which seems a little more realistic..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRU5zSpdnlI..
so go figure...i have drivin' all 3 and owned a c6Z06 and currently a base z51 with sticky tires..its not 5 sec slower...but whatever.............
but CD says base 2 sec slower than a Z06and Z about 2 sec slower than Zr1 in its comparison,which seems a little more realistic..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRU5zSpdnlI..
so go figure...i have drivin' all 3 and owned a c6Z06 and currently a base z51 with sticky tires..its not 5 sec slower...but whatever.............
11-19-2012, 02:59 PM
#55
Melting Slicks
The C&D test had the crappy and narrower Goodyear's, no mag ride, and the old traction system. The R&T test had the new loaded Z06 that's basically a ZR1 with a LS7 in place of the LS9. As far as base VS GS, I don't really believe there is a 5sec gap either. I also don't believe that the GS is much closer to the ZR1 and Z06, with Goodyear's vs their Michelin's, than it is to the base.
i try and look at each individual model, and all the other variables, such as driver experience level, fuel load, tires etc..i like to drive my cars..close to the limit if conditions permit
11-19-2012, 03:06 PM
#56
Team Owner
Of course it does, GM said so, (sarcasm).
They want to sell more GS's that's why they put out the #'s the way they do.
My 1st outing with my coupe netted me quicker ETs & higher MPH's than advertised. It actually was at GS advertised #'s.
Gotta remember, they both carry the same exact drive train with the same exact HP/TQ #'s, so it'd be scientifically impossible for one to be quicker than the other, though I will give you braking & skid pad due to wider rubber & larger brakes, but my pal with a '10 GS told me after I let him drive my coupe that his 'seat o pants meter' felt no difference in the way my car handled & drove vs. his car.
And to answer Dave's kinda question like others mentioned, they're C6's Dave, that's it.
They want to sell more GS's that's why they put out the #'s the way they do.
My 1st outing with my coupe netted me quicker ETs & higher MPH's than advertised. It actually was at GS advertised #'s.
Gotta remember, they both carry the same exact drive train with the same exact HP/TQ #'s, so it'd be scientifically impossible for one to be quicker than the other, though I will give you braking & skid pad due to wider rubber & larger brakes, but my pal with a '10 GS told me after I let him drive my coupe that his 'seat o pants meter' felt no difference in the way my car handled & drove vs. his car.
And to answer Dave's kinda question like others mentioned, they're C6's Dave, that's it.
No they don't. While they both have the same horsepower, the GS, has more aggressive gearing then the base(non Z-51) C6.
The automatic GS has a 2.73 rear gear vs the base(non Z-51) C6's 2.56.
The manual GS has lower gearing in the transmission vs the base(non Z-51) C6.
If your coupe has the Z-51 option, then it does have the same gearing a the GS, but the Z-51 option was dropped for the base C6 after 2009. In the early C6's, one could order the optional rear axle ratio for the automatic without ordering the Z-51.
Last edited by JoesC5; 11-19-2012 at 04:05 PM.
11-19-2012, 10:32 PM
#58
History repeats itself
Hello ARD:
Beginning next year, but not until after the C7's actually start getting delivered, all C6's will be referred to by exactly the same term that all your RED C5's were referred to when the C6 broke through the GM hype barrier and actually hit the road:
YESTERDAY'S NEWS.
Hang loose ARD, don't get bummed out over the demise of the Z51, and always go RED.
Beginning next year, but not until after the C7's actually start getting delivered, all C6's will be referred to by exactly the same term that all your RED C5's were referred to when the C6 broke through the GM hype barrier and actually hit the road:
YESTERDAY'S NEWS.
Hang loose ARD, don't get bummed out over the demise of the Z51, and always go RED.
11-19-2012, 10:52 PM
#59
Team Owner
Since it is Lighter
has less wind drag. Along with less rolling resistance! All the while producing the same power!
It also has a higher top speed than the GS! Can't be otherwise sorry!
Careless what G.M. says! Only place the GS wins is on a track and not the quarter mile!
Sales would be less if GM admited to the Coupe being faster than the GS!
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11-19-2012, 10:57 PM
#60
Drifting
Actually it's horse power vs weight! No matter how you cut it and the C-6 has to faster in a straight-line.
Since it is Lighter
has less wind drag
It also has a higher top speed than the GS! Can't be otherwise sorry!
Careless what GS says! Only place the GS wins is on a track and not the quarter mile!
Sales would be less if GM admited to the Coupe being faster than the GS!
Since it is Lighter
has less wind drag
It also has a higher top speed than the GS! Can't be otherwise sorry!
Careless what GS says! Only place the GS wins is on a track and not the quarter mile!
Sales would be less if GM admited to the Coupe being faster than the GS!
One is as a muscle car and the other is as a sports car.
If you're more interested in straight line performance than the coupe is the winner if your more interested in road course type performance then the GS might be your preferred choice.