Winter Tires
10-08-2012, 03:14 PM
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10-08-2012, 03:25 PM
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Of course smaller wheels will throw off the handling. No more than so cold tires on cold pavement though. If the tire is the sime diameter but on a smaller rim you can still drive it just fine. If you the tire is the same diameter but thinner on a thinner rim you can drive it just fine.
Will handling be changed? Absolutely. But would you worry about it? No, because you wont be taking many corners above the posted speed limits anyway because of the temperature of the road and the tires.
For everyday driving a slimmer tire with the same diameter wont hurt anything unless he tries to take some corners at a high rate of speed. Which I am doubting he would do in the same conditions with the stock tires. So where is the difference?
If thinner ones cause that so will wider ones yet we see people going up multiple sizes without complaining or having the nannies go all over hell under normal driving conditions.
Will handling be changed? Absolutely. But would you worry about it? No, because you wont be taking many corners above the posted speed limits anyway because of the temperature of the road and the tires.
For everyday driving a slimmer tire with the same diameter wont hurt anything unless he tries to take some corners at a high rate of speed. Which I am doubting he would do in the same conditions with the stock tires. So where is the difference?
If thinner ones cause that so will wider ones yet we see people going up multiple sizes without complaining or having the nannies go all over hell under normal driving conditions.
Im not going to waste my time arguing this with you; if you want to run smaller wheels and tires on your GS, that is your choice..... the vehicle was manufactured with the given wheel and tires size for a reason; the tires that I listed above will provide everything the OP needs without changing wheel and tires sizes....If he wants a better performing tire over the stock GY, a simple tire swap will do; no need to go buying whole new sets of smaller wheels and tires. It is completely pointless to be changing to smaller wheels and tires and I am sure 99% of forum members would agree...... The ugly stance and huge gaps in between the tire and the wheel well is enough to keep the OEM wheel and tires size on the vehicle alone.
10-08-2012, 04:09 PM
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Im not going to waste my time arguing this with you; if you want to run smaller wheels and tires on your GS, that is your choice..... the vehicle was manufactured with the given wheel and tires size for a reason; the tires that I listed above will provide everything the OP needs without changing wheel and tires sizes....If he wants a better performing tire over the stock GY, a simple tire swap will do; no need to go buying whole new sets of smaller wheels and tires. It is completely pointless to be changing to smaller wheels and tires and I am sure 99% of forum members would agree...... The ugly stance and huge gaps in between the tire and the wheel well is enough to keep the OEM wheel and tires size on the vehicle alone.
GS tires in stock size are 27.96 inches tall vs. the base cars of 26.85. To get the variation from the top of the tire to the wheel well IT IS NOT the difference in tire size, it is HALF the difference of the tires size because its only measured on one side. They are not going to have HUGE GAPS betweel the tire and the wheel well openings. Larger than stock? Yes. HUGE? Absolutely not.
Pointless? You are so off base. Lots of people DITCH their stock base wheels for less half of what your tire options are in your respective sizes. Dont think so? Go check the for sale section some time. The thing is it would be EASIER to have a set of wheels for the winter so you dont have to change tires twice a year and be less expensive in the process. Hell, the long life of the base tires would be a cost savings! Ever do a cost benefit analysis? You should try it sometime. You would get multiple cold seasons out of the harder compound on the base cars run flat tires and most likely replace his summer tires once every two years.
Just because 99% of people agree doesnt mean its correct or wrong. Now does it?
Look beyond what your GM manual says and find your common sense. Your reasons have already been disproven by another member and I just shot your points down. Go on thinking you "need" them thar sticky wide tyres for cold weather driving.
Will the tires you mentioned work? Yup, without question....but there is always more than one way to skin a cat. The base wheels/tires would be cheaper in the course of two years vs. your idea to buy new tires. Hell, it would be cheaper RIGHT NOW but you cant see that.
You dont use the power and tires that are on your car driving on the street but you think you must have them....more especially in cold weather. That is laughable.
Your Corvette also was manufactured with the given exhaust, air intake, cam, rear gearing and tuning from the factory. Better let everyone know they are wrong for changing it.
You call it arguing and get upset because your points can be disproven.
10-08-2012, 06:49 PM
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I guess if you have to drive your GS/Z06 in snow then this would be the best option.
http://www.spikes-spiders.com/325-30...er-Sport-Style
Pricy though at $570 for the pair.
I personally wouldn't do it but it is a legal option, don't know if they'll clear the car though.
http://www.spikes-spiders.com/325-30...er-Sport-Style
Pricy though at $570 for the pair.
I personally wouldn't do it but it is a legal option, don't know if they'll clear the car though.
10-08-2012, 11:00 PM
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I guess if you have to drive your GS/Z06 in snow then this would be the best option.
http://www.spikes-spiders.com/325-30...er-Sport-Style
Pricy though at $570 for the pair.
I personally wouldn't do it but it is a legal option, don't know if they'll clear the car though.
http://www.spikes-spiders.com/325-30...er-Sport-Style
Pricy though at $570 for the pair.
I personally wouldn't do it but it is a legal option, don't know if they'll clear the car though.
Appreciate the common sense approach of the stock wheel suggestion.
10-09-2012, 03:42 AM
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You are so far off base. What is the rear tire hight difference between the base wheels and the GS? You dont know? Well let me tell you.
GS tires in stock size are 27.96 inches tall vs. the base cars of 26.85. To get the variation from the top of the tire to the wheel well IT IS NOT the difference in tire size, it is HALF the difference of the tires size because its only measured on one side. They are not going to have HUGE GAPS betweel the tire and the wheel well openings. Larger than stock? Yes. HUGE? Absolutely not.
Pointless? You are so off base. Lots of people DITCH their stock base wheels for less half of what your tire options are in your respective sizes. Dont think so? Go check the for sale section some time. The thing is it would be EASIER to have a set of wheels for the winter so you dont have to change tires twice a year and be less expensive in the process. Hell, the long life of the base tires would be a cost savings! Ever do a cost benefit analysis? You should try it sometime. You would get multiple cold seasons out of the harder compound on the base cars run flat tires and most likely replace his summer tires once every two years.
Just because 99% of people agree doesnt mean its correct or wrong. Now does it?
Look beyond what your GM manual says and find your common sense. Your reasons have already been disproven by another member and I just shot your points down. Go on thinking you "need" them thar sticky wide tyres for cold weather driving.
Will the tires you mentioned work? Yup, without question....but there is always more than one way to skin a cat. The base wheels/tires would be cheaper in the course of two years vs. your idea to buy new tires. Hell, it would be cheaper RIGHT NOW but you cant see that.
You dont use the power and tires that are on your car driving on the street but you think you must have them....more especially in cold weather. That is laughable.
Your Corvette also was manufactured with the given exhaust, air intake, cam, rear gearing and tuning from the factory. Better let everyone know they are wrong for changing it.
You call it arguing and get upset because your points can be disproven.
GS tires in stock size are 27.96 inches tall vs. the base cars of 26.85. To get the variation from the top of the tire to the wheel well IT IS NOT the difference in tire size, it is HALF the difference of the tires size because its only measured on one side. They are not going to have HUGE GAPS betweel the tire and the wheel well openings. Larger than stock? Yes. HUGE? Absolutely not.
Pointless? You are so off base. Lots of people DITCH their stock base wheels for less half of what your tire options are in your respective sizes. Dont think so? Go check the for sale section some time. The thing is it would be EASIER to have a set of wheels for the winter so you dont have to change tires twice a year and be less expensive in the process. Hell, the long life of the base tires would be a cost savings! Ever do a cost benefit analysis? You should try it sometime. You would get multiple cold seasons out of the harder compound on the base cars run flat tires and most likely replace his summer tires once every two years.
Just because 99% of people agree doesnt mean its correct or wrong. Now does it?
Look beyond what your GM manual says and find your common sense. Your reasons have already been disproven by another member and I just shot your points down. Go on thinking you "need" them thar sticky wide tyres for cold weather driving.
Will the tires you mentioned work? Yup, without question....but there is always more than one way to skin a cat. The base wheels/tires would be cheaper in the course of two years vs. your idea to buy new tires. Hell, it would be cheaper RIGHT NOW but you cant see that.
You dont use the power and tires that are on your car driving on the street but you think you must have them....more especially in cold weather. That is laughable.
Your Corvette also was manufactured with the given exhaust, air intake, cam, rear gearing and tuning from the factory. Better let everyone know they are wrong for changing it.
You call it arguing and get upset because your points can be disproven.
Who said anything about switching tires 2 x a year? Purchase a set of the Michelin Super Sports or Michelin PS2 ZP, mount them on your stock rim you have on your car now, and drive through the winter, next spring, next summer and so on until they wear out and need new tires. He specifically stated he is NOT driving through slush, snow, hail or sleet...... his driving conditions are dry pavement with cool temps. I have no idea how you got here lol; he simply asked a question regarding buying smaller wheels so he could purchase smaller all season tires for winter, and I simply replied it is not needed as driving on dry pavement in cooler conditions with stock size Michelins (or Petenzas/Nittos) will be more than sufficient and a great improvement over the OEM GY...... but as I mentioned, to each there own. If you would like to purchase smaller wheels and smaller tires to put on your grand sport to drive on dry pavement, be my guest lol have fun with that.
10-09-2012, 07:47 AM
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Who said anything about switching tires 2 x a year? Purchase a set of the Michelin Super Sports or Michelin PS2 ZP, mount them on your stock rim you have on your car now, and drive through the winter, next spring, next summer and so on until they wear out and need new tires. He specifically stated he is NOT driving through slush, snow, hail or sleet...... his driving conditions are dry pavement with cool temps. I have no idea how you got here lol; he simply asked a question regarding buying smaller wheels so he could purchase smaller all season tires for winter, and I simply replied it is not needed as driving on dry pavement in cooler conditions with stock size Michelins (or Petenzas/Nittos) will be more than sufficient and a great improvement over the OEM GY...... but as I mentioned, to each there own. If you would like to purchase smaller wheels and smaller tires to put on your grand sport to drive on dry pavement, be my guest lol have fun with that.
I've driven a C5 through the winter before with no major issues, but much different today. First, I have small kids now and would like to stick around to see their kids and grandkids if I'm able, so I tend to watch out for my own skin a little more these days. Collision avoidance is really important in these cars. Acceptable traction when you don't need to get out of the way in a hurry is fine. When you really need that extra traction, it's worth every penny, and that's true no matter what season. The other thing that is really, really different with my C6 GS over my old C5 is the C5 was stock 325hp. The C6 is a Lingenfelter 600hp.
The other nice thing about a second set of wheels is change is nice. I'm a car nut, and change for the sake of change is my flaw. Changing cars is my needful thing. A new look every six months would be welcome.
My OEM rims WILL have Michelins on them as soon as the GY's are toast.
10-09-2012, 08:12 AM
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To your question. Live down in SW VA with a DD GS on GYs. Drove all last winter with no issues on the GY's in outside temps to 38*. Always waited until the sun had been out for a bit.
Very careful until some temp in tires [watched the pressures on rears until I got to 32#]. Certainly no banzai turn ins.
Net not one issue on either highway or other roads. Will change to Michelin SS when I kill the GY's.
To your question. Live down in SW VA with a DD GS on GYs. Drove all last winter with no issues on the GY's in outside temps to 38*. Always waited until the sun had been out for a bit.
Very careful until some temp in tires [watched the pressures on rears until I got to 32#]. Certainly no banzai turn ins.
Net not one issue on either highway or other roads. Will change to Michelin SS when I kill the GY's.
10-09-2012, 08:37 AM
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CCIE
To your question. Live down in SW VA with a DD GS on GYs. Drove all last winter with no issues on the GY's in outside temps to 38*. Always waited until the sun had been out for a bit.
Very careful until some temp in tires [watched the pressures on rears until I got to 32#]. Certainly no banzai turn ins.
Net not one issue on either highway or other roads. Will change to Michelin SS when I kill the GY's.
To your question. Live down in SW VA with a DD GS on GYs. Drove all last winter with no issues on the GY's in outside temps to 38*. Always waited until the sun had been out for a bit.
Very careful until some temp in tires [watched the pressures on rears until I got to 32#]. Certainly no banzai turn ins.
Net not one issue on either highway or other roads. Will change to Michelin SS when I kill the GY's.
How is LE down your way? Do you feel free to enjoy your car a bit without speed traps around every corner?
Sorry to go off topic. I was looking at home listings down there just a week ago, wishful thinking.
10-09-2012, 09:16 AM
#33
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I would just go with the Super Sports then and drive with less throttle input. I admit the spider chains are extreme but for those that must drive in snow.
10-09-2012, 11:21 AM
#34
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You are so far off base. What is the rear tire hight difference between the base wheels and the GS? You dont know? Well let me tell you.
GS tires in stock size are 27.96 inches tall vs. the base cars of 26.85. To get the variation from the top of the tire to the wheel well IT IS NOT the difference in tire size, it is HALF the difference of the tires size because its only measured on one side. They are not going to have HUGE GAPS betweel the tire and the wheel well openings. Larger than stock? Yes. HUGE? Absolutely not.
Pointless? You are so off base. Lots of people DITCH their stock base wheels for less half of what your tire options are in your respective sizes. Dont think so? Go check the for sale section some time. The thing is it would be EASIER to have a set of wheels for the winter so you dont have to change tires twice a year and be less expensive in the process. Hell, the long life of the base tires would be a cost savings! Ever do a cost benefit analysis? You should try it sometime. You would get multiple cold seasons out of the harder compound on the base cars run flat tires and most likely replace his summer tires once every two years.
Just because 99% of people agree doesnt mean its correct or wrong. Now does it?
Look beyond what your GM manual says and find your common sense. Your reasons have already been disproven by another member and I just shot your points down. Go on thinking you "need" them thar sticky wide tyres for cold weather driving.
Will the tires you mentioned work? Yup, without question....but there is always more than one way to skin a cat. The base wheels/tires would be cheaper in the course of two years vs. your idea to buy new tires. Hell, it would be cheaper RIGHT NOW but you cant see that.
You dont use the power and tires that are on your car driving on the street but you think you must have them....more especially in cold weather. That is laughable.
Your Corvette also was manufactured with the given exhaust, air intake, cam, rear gearing and tuning from the factory. Better let everyone know they are wrong for changing it.
You call it arguing and get upset because your points can be disproven.
GS tires in stock size are 27.96 inches tall vs. the base cars of 26.85. To get the variation from the top of the tire to the wheel well IT IS NOT the difference in tire size, it is HALF the difference of the tires size because its only measured on one side. They are not going to have HUGE GAPS betweel the tire and the wheel well openings. Larger than stock? Yes. HUGE? Absolutely not.
Pointless? You are so off base. Lots of people DITCH their stock base wheels for less half of what your tire options are in your respective sizes. Dont think so? Go check the for sale section some time. The thing is it would be EASIER to have a set of wheels for the winter so you dont have to change tires twice a year and be less expensive in the process. Hell, the long life of the base tires would be a cost savings! Ever do a cost benefit analysis? You should try it sometime. You would get multiple cold seasons out of the harder compound on the base cars run flat tires and most likely replace his summer tires once every two years.
Just because 99% of people agree doesnt mean its correct or wrong. Now does it?
Look beyond what your GM manual says and find your common sense. Your reasons have already been disproven by another member and I just shot your points down. Go on thinking you "need" them thar sticky wide tyres for cold weather driving.
Will the tires you mentioned work? Yup, without question....but there is always more than one way to skin a cat. The base wheels/tires would be cheaper in the course of two years vs. your idea to buy new tires. Hell, it would be cheaper RIGHT NOW but you cant see that.
You dont use the power and tires that are on your car driving on the street but you think you must have them....more especially in cold weather. That is laughable.
Your Corvette also was manufactured with the given exhaust, air intake, cam, rear gearing and tuning from the factory. Better let everyone know they are wrong for changing it.
You call it arguing and get upset because your points can be disproven.
Base C6...fronts are 25.7", rears are 26.85"
Z06/GS....fronts are 25.6", rears are 26.68"
10-09-2012, 11:28 AM
#35
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My bad. I was doing math in excel. 
I bet I used the 35 aspect ratio instead of the 30.
So what you are saying is it WILL NOT throw off any of the nannies or the speedo? thanks for the confirmation.
I bet I used the 35 aspect ratio instead of the 30.So what you are saying is it WILL NOT throw off any of the nannies or the speedo? thanks for the confirmation.
10-09-2012, 01:41 PM
#36
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For example the 19/20 used on the Z06/ZR1 are 25.7" on the front and 26.6" on the rear.