what is the differnce between the base coupe and grand sport
05-15-2012, 09:52 PM
#281
Melting Slicks
Yah, I like this post. The GS has the same engine ( the boosters will tell you all about the "hand built" LS3 in the manual GS...what they don't mention is anything about whether this increases hp, longevity, or reliability...which, of these, none have been claimed by the manufacturer)
Mostly the GS is an exercise in brilliant marketing. Getting people to pay considerably more for essentially the same car ( underneath the panels ) as the narrow body base car by adding some low cost frills.
Read the Z06 section, or search Z06 brakes and you'll find the brakes the GS crowd crows about....that are the same as those on the Z06 are the same brakes Z06 owners can't wait to remove and replace with something a lot better. ( Like much lighter two piece rotors that are current technology and not the 50 yr. old technology of the Z06 brakes. )
Poser car plain and simple. Most owners here at least seem ready and willing to tell you how their cars are "almost" a Z06 and, of course, that they are geniuses for figuring this out and not wasting money on a Z06 like all those dummies who bought one. Might be...if you read some of the glowing posts from GS owners...that the GS even rivals the mighty ZR1. It looks almost the same and that is the deciding factor in the purchase of a GS it appears.
Brilliant marketing.
Mostly the GS is an exercise in brilliant marketing. Getting people to pay considerably more for essentially the same car ( underneath the panels ) as the narrow body base car by adding some low cost frills.
Read the Z06 section, or search Z06 brakes and you'll find the brakes the GS crowd crows about....that are the same as those on the Z06 are the same brakes Z06 owners can't wait to remove and replace with something a lot better. ( Like much lighter two piece rotors that are current technology and not the 50 yr. old technology of the Z06 brakes. )
Poser car plain and simple. Most owners here at least seem ready and willing to tell you how their cars are "almost" a Z06 and, of course, that they are geniuses for figuring this out and not wasting money on a Z06 like all those dummies who bought one. Might be...if you read some of the glowing posts from GS owners...that the GS even rivals the mighty ZR1. It looks almost the same and that is the deciding factor in the purchase of a GS it appears.
Brilliant marketing.
05-15-2012, 10:03 PM
#283
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It's not disparaging either the product or the purchaser to say the marketing was brilliant. In fact, it was. The product hit exactly the right spot in the market. The GS is selling like crazy, because it is what people want.
I'm sorry you got confused about that. FYI, my statement is only related to marketing. I never use the word "poser", since I believe the correct spelling is "poseur", anyway.
05-15-2012, 10:37 PM
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I can't believe the bitter rivalry going on here!!! I would compare it to an older brother getting jealous and mad because his younger, better-looking brother is getting all the attention!!
05-15-2012, 11:24 PM
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05-16-2012, 03:09 AM
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I like the GS's. But I have a question about 0-60 comparison between a base Vette with the Z51, which has a higher ratio rearend and F1 tires and the GS that has bigger tires but weighs more. Seems like they should be about even? Anyone have any comparisons?
05-16-2012, 05:42 AM
#289
Melting Slicks
Yah, I like this post. The GS has the same engine ( the boosters will tell you all about the "hand built" LS3 in the manual GS...what they don't mention is anything about whether this increases hp, longevity, or reliability...which, of these, none have been claimed by the manufacturer)
Mostly the GS is an exercise in brilliant marketing. Getting people to pay considerably more for essentially the same car ( underneath the panels ) as the narrow body base car by adding some low cost frills.
Read the Z06 section, or search Z06 brakes and you'll find the brakes the GS crowd crows about....that are the same as those on the Z06 are the same brakes Z06 owners can't wait to remove and replace with something a lot better. ( Like much lighter two piece rotors that are current technology and not the 50 yr. old technology of the Z06 brakes. )
Poser car plain and simple. Most owners here at least seem ready and willing to tell you how their cars are "almost" a Z06 and, of course, that they are geniuses for figuring this out and not wasting money on a Z06 like all those dummies who bought one. Might be...if you read some of the glowing posts from GS owners...that the GS even rivals the mighty ZR1. It looks almost the same and that is the deciding factor in the purchase of a GS it appears.
Brilliant marketing.
Mostly the GS is an exercise in brilliant marketing. Getting people to pay considerably more for essentially the same car ( underneath the panels ) as the narrow body base car by adding some low cost frills.
Read the Z06 section, or search Z06 brakes and you'll find the brakes the GS crowd crows about....that are the same as those on the Z06 are the same brakes Z06 owners can't wait to remove and replace with something a lot better. ( Like much lighter two piece rotors that are current technology and not the 50 yr. old technology of the Z06 brakes. )
Poser car plain and simple. Most owners here at least seem ready and willing to tell you how their cars are "almost" a Z06 and, of course, that they are geniuses for figuring this out and not wasting money on a Z06 like all those dummies who bought one. Might be...if you read some of the glowing posts from GS owners...that the GS even rivals the mighty ZR1. It looks almost the same and that is the deciding factor in the purchase of a GS it appears.
Brilliant marketing.
BTW -- No GS owners I know or even see posting here claim their car is "almost a Z06." They might reference the suspension similarities and note they chose the GS because they didn't want or need a ZO6, which is simply a statement of fact, but they don't claim to be driving a Z06 or ZR1. Also, no GS owner I've seen on here has ever called a Z06 owner a dummy for buying one either. So far, the only people I see who make that unsubstantiated claim (over and over and over again) are people who ignore the track times and claim the GS is only a marketing gimic.
I bought a 1LT GS because it had the setup I wanted at the price I was willing to pay, which BTW - was over $2K cheaper than the 3LT base coupe loaded with a bunch of things that might be desirable to some, but not to me. Had nothing to do with marketing or some powerful brainwashing control GM exerted over me. Nice try though -- for the 100th time.
05-16-2012, 06:12 AM
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05-16-2012, 10:05 AM
#291
Drifting
So, if the Z06 brakes are 50-yr old technology, what does that make the base coupe's?
BTW -- No GS owners I know or even see posting here claim their car is "almost a Z06." They might reference the suspension similarities and note they chose the GS because they didn't want or need a ZO6, which is simply a statement of fact, but they don't claim to be driving a Z06 or ZR1. Also, no GS owner I've seen on here has ever called a Z06 owner a dummy for buying one either. So far, the only people I see who make that unsubstantiated claim (over and over and over again) are people who ignore the track times and claim the GS is only a marketing gimic.
I bought a 1LT GS because it had the setup I wanted at the price I was willing to pay, which BTW - was over $2K cheaper than the 3LT base coupe loaded with a bunch of things that might be desirable to some, but not to me. Had nothing to do with marketing or some powerful brainwashing control GM exerted over me. Nice try though -- for the 100th time.
BTW -- No GS owners I know or even see posting here claim their car is "almost a Z06." They might reference the suspension similarities and note they chose the GS because they didn't want or need a ZO6, which is simply a statement of fact, but they don't claim to be driving a Z06 or ZR1. Also, no GS owner I've seen on here has ever called a Z06 owner a dummy for buying one either. So far, the only people I see who make that unsubstantiated claim (over and over and over again) are people who ignore the track times and claim the GS is only a marketing gimic.
I bought a 1LT GS because it had the setup I wanted at the price I was willing to pay, which BTW - was over $2K cheaper than the 3LT base coupe loaded with a bunch of things that might be desirable to some, but not to me. Had nothing to do with marketing or some powerful brainwashing control GM exerted over me. Nice try though -- for the 100th time.
Heat transfer to the fluid, hub bearings, and rotor cracking are issues for people that use their cars on tracks with heavy braking. The two piece rotors may or may not give the results and still crack and need to be replaced. Expensive to replace the two piece rotor and some use plain high carbon rotors instead.
However, the GS package with the Z06 brakes is very good package for many people. Rotor weight, tire weight in my opinion is overrated unless you have converted your GS to a full race car setup. Most people couldn't tell the difference of a couple of pounds on the corners if they didn't know what was on the car.
Replace the fluid in the brakes and clutch with hi-temp. Replace the pads with race pads, and you are pretty good for most tracks. Even NASCAR has brake issues on road courses and they run a huge setup.
05-16-2012, 10:21 AM
#292
Melting Slicks
So, if the Z06 brakes are 50-yr old technology, what does that make the base coupe's?
BTW -- No GS owners I know or even see posting here claim their car is "almost a Z06." They might reference the suspension similarities and note they chose the GS because they didn't want or need a ZO6, which is simply a statement of fact, but they don't claim to be driving a Z06 or ZR1. Also, no GS owner I've seen on here has ever called a Z06 owner a dummy for buying one either. So far, the only people I see who make that unsubstantiated claim (over and over and over again) are people who ignore the track times and claim the GS is only a marketing gimic.
I bought a 1LT GS because it had the setup I wanted at the price I was willing to pay, which BTW - was over $2K cheaper than the 3LT base coupe loaded with a bunch of things that might be desirable to some, but not to me. Had nothing to do with marketing or some powerful brainwashing control GM exerted over me. Nice try though -- for the 100th time.
BTW -- No GS owners I know or even see posting here claim their car is "almost a Z06." They might reference the suspension similarities and note they chose the GS because they didn't want or need a ZO6, which is simply a statement of fact, but they don't claim to be driving a Z06 or ZR1. Also, no GS owner I've seen on here has ever called a Z06 owner a dummy for buying one either. So far, the only people I see who make that unsubstantiated claim (over and over and over again) are people who ignore the track times and claim the GS is only a marketing gimic.
I bought a 1LT GS because it had the setup I wanted at the price I was willing to pay, which BTW - was over $2K cheaper than the 3LT base coupe loaded with a bunch of things that might be desirable to some, but not to me. Had nothing to do with marketing or some powerful brainwashing control GM exerted over me. Nice try though -- for the 100th time.
05-16-2012, 10:28 AM
#293
Melting Slicks
$5.5K for widebody panels would be a bargain (you seem to be missing that point BTW)...
$5.5K for for better brakes, tires, susp, sump would be another bargain...
but hmmm, you get BOTH of the above for $5.5K - yeah, that's "just marketting", totally not worth it
BTW, you'd def get it back at resale, so it's like getting all those goodies for nothing...
Anyway, keep telling yourself that the GS is a poser car and keep putting it down, whatever makes you feel better about your choice
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05-16-2012, 10:43 AM
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I recently sold my 05' base Z51 and bought a GS rather than a Z06 because that is exactly what I wanted, not because I could not afford one, and I could no be happier (and I do not have Z06 envy). I like the Z06 but I don't need the horse power, so I got a newer, fully loaded GS instead.
What I have is ZR1 envy!
I got a GS because that is EXACTLY what I wanted, an Auto Wide Body Vert
Then came the ZR1 
And I love all the Models. Good to see Racer back here 
What was the thread about again???????What's the difference between someone who has a zillion posts in this thread debating nonsense and someone who has no life
05-16-2012, 12:04 PM
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05-16-2012, 12:31 PM
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Now here is a real question I have. According to some of the searching I have done (unless things have changed since 2008) the MM6 can handle 470 tq where the MZ6 is rated to handle 425 tq. Or is the MM6 in the base/narrow body not the one they are speaking of?
Oh come on......get in the mix. I am leading the pack in posts!
I do find it funny.....the things a few got mad at me about are not untrue.
This is very true.
Oh come on......get in the mix. I am leading the pack in posts!
I do find it funny.....the things a few got mad at me about are not untrue.
This is very true.
05-16-2012, 12:50 PM
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Last weekend I test drove a 2010 GS, a 2010 2lt and a 2009 1lt Coupe. I can deffenetly feel the difference between the three cars. In my previous posts, I mentioned I did not think the extra money was worth the asking price for the GS over the coupe. Now that I drove the three cars, I have had a change of heart and am leaning more towards the GS. I like the looks better and to me it feels better on the road. Not trying to start a whole new debate here, just making a point that my personal preference after looking and driving the two different models is the GS. I still think all Corvettes are awsome but when I finally sign on the dotted line, it will be most likely be for a GS.
Thanks to all for the input.
Thanks to all for the input.