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Old 04-15-2012, 12:19 PM
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Old 04-15-2012, 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by mcandrew67
ummmm, you empty it..... was this a rhetorical question?
You weren't supposed to tell him so soon ...................
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I hate to admit it, but I let it fill once. After installing, I pretty much forgot about it. The car did not drive any different. I don't know if I caught it in time but when I unscrewed the lower portion of my EE can it over flowed out (pain to clean). Lesson learned, now I check it on a regular basis. Only an ounce or two after driving around a few months and a bit of playing around.
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"I hate to admit it, but I let it fill once. "
Now that's what I am talking about. Thank you RIMIJ.

These catch cans should be FAILSAFE.
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Originally Posted by joliett
"I hate to admit it, but I let it fill once. "
Now that's what I am talking about. Thank you RIMIJ.

These catch cans should be FAILSAFE.
They are Fail safe. IF you Fail to put one on you will be safe. In you case I would advise against installing one.....

Myabe they need to make a catch can catch can just in case
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Originally Posted by amallano
So is there any benefit choosing the Breather Vented PCV Oil Catch Can vs. the standard 2 chamber?
Typically we only sell breather cans for dedicated track cars or FI cars that
have crank case pressure problems with the dip stick popping out.

The draw back is that you are venting oil saturated air into your engine
compartment. The oil saturated air tends to cling to everything and make
a bit of a mess.

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Originally Posted by joliett
"I hate to admit it, but I let it fill once. "
Now that's what I am talking about. Thank you RIMIJ.

These catch cans should be FAILSAFE.
Really? Of all the things that could fail on your car you feel a CATCH CAN is the device that needs to be failsafe?

OK, here's what you do:
1. Install a fluid (oil) level sensor into the catch can.
2. Route the signal from the sensor to an automotive relay.
3. Route the signal from the relay to a 3-way solenoid valve.

Under normal operation the flow would go:
crankcase > 3-way solenoid valve > Catch can > Intake

If the can becomes full the solenoid would switch the valve flow and result in:
crankcase > 3-way solenoid valve > Intake.

Optional is to make a beanie shaped housing out of tin foil to house all the components in.

Seems like a silly length to go rather than opening your hood every so often and taking 2 mins to check the status of your fluids and mechanical components.


Child_of_fire - Do you feel I answered his question adequately enough?
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There are how many C6's are out there w/o a catch can ? Most I'd wager. Unless it's being tracked like Wayne does or several of our other forum members on a regular basis. Why ?
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Originally Posted by AGFNTB
Really? Of all the things that could fail on your car you feel a CATCH CAN is the device that needs to be failsafe?

OK, here's what you do:
1. Install a fluid (oil) level sensor into the catch can.
2. Route the signal from the sensor to an automotive relay.
3. Route the signal from the relay to a 3-way solenoid valve.

Under normal operation the flow would go:
crankcase > 3-way solenoid valve > Catch can > Intake

If the can becomes full the solenoid would switch the valve flow and result in:
crankcase > 3-way solenoid valve > Intake.

Optional is to make a beanie shaped housing out of tin foil to house all the components in.

Seems like a silly length to go rather than opening your hood every so often and taking 2 mins to check the status of your fluids and mechanical components.


Child_of_fire - Do you feel I answered his question adequately enough?
yes thanks
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Just consider the fact that GM doesn't instal an oil catch can on any of their models, including the G/S, Z06, or ZR1. Doesn't that tell you anything?
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Originally Posted by laconiajack
Just consider the fact that GM doesn't instal an oil catch can on any of their models, including the G/S, Z06, or ZR1. Doesn't that tell you anything?
My thoughts exactly !
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Originally Posted by Just Buy It
I thought it was trick question. Watch out for those deers man. They do a lot of damage.
I had an encounter with one two weeks ago..... I'll be getting my car back next week My Ins. Co. paid $7500 for the damage...

The deer ran out from my right side & I was in the left lane (rt 684) and when he hit my right front, I hit the Jersey Barrier, & need new left front fender, left door, & left rear 1/4 panel I hope to have it back by next Sat..
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Originally Posted by MikeyTX
My thoughts exactly !
Bingo, that's the answer! Don't install one.
Old 04-16-2012, 02:42 AM
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Originally Posted by jpee
I had an encounter with one two weeks ago..... I'll be getting my car back next week My Ins. Co. paid $7500 for the damage...

The deer ran out from my right side & I was in the left lane (rt 684) and when he hit my right front, I hit the Jersey Barrier, & need new left front fender, left door, & left rear 1/4 panel I hope to have it back by next Sat..
but if you had a catch can this would have been prevented?
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Originally Posted by joliett
"So when the can got full and started sending droplets to the intake the first thing is they would stop in that hose."

I think, if the can got full, the can would start sending LIQUID OIL GUSHING directly into the hose. Isnt there a can that has a one way valve - like a PVC valve - that would prevent that? Ot am I missing something???
What you are missing is that you can not create or destroy energy/matter. You don't magically create an inexhaustible supply of oil when the can gets full. There is only a minuscule amount of oil per minute coming from the crankcase. As the can starts to get full you would first get a couple of drops of oil out the top. That would lower the level enough that it would take several minutes or hours to refill the can to the top. Then you would get a few more drops again lowering the level to the point where no more would come out. This is no different from what happens all the time in the PVC hose of a car without a catch can.
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If you let it fill up, you'll end up with oil in your throttle body. There will not be enough oil in there to be sucked up in liquid form into the pistons as the air flows upwards from that point on into the runners. It wouldn't be a continuous flow, maybe a few tea spoons. So it will sit inside your throttle body and gum it up.

If you do get a continuous flow from a catch can, that would mean it's also coming that way from the engine bay, so you have bigger problems...
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Nothing happened to a friend of mine who bought a used camaro ss with a catch can a few years ago. He didn't know what is for and never messed with it. I asked him today how often does he change the oil in the catch can and his reply was "what am I talking about?". I opened up the catch can and it was full. He asked me if he damaged the car, I said obviously not but maybe there was some knocking and pinging when he accelerates. He said "what is that"? After that reply I told him he needs to go get a Honda with zero mods.



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