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Old 04-15-2012, 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by jschindler
They changed the rating system. I have a dyno overlay that MTI in Houston did for me. My LS3 dyno'd 36 more rwhp than a typical LS2. Trap speeds in the 1/4 mile back that up. I personally ran 3 mph greater trap speed in the 1/4 mile.
As you can tell from my post #72, I love our LS3. And it certainly feels like it has more than 36 extra HP.

But regarding your dyno numbers, your LS3 was supposed to have that extra 36 Hp at the crank. With a typical 10% drivetrain loss, that works out 39.6 HP at the crank. That's close enough I suspect it could be explained by normal engine-to-engine variations or run-to-run variations on the dyno.
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Originally Posted by Valleybacker
Ls2 vs ls3 is like comparing l98 vs lt1...

Hell yes you will feel a difference especially on the top end.
Make it LT1 to LT4 if you want to compare anything...
Old 04-15-2012, 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by need-for-speed
People that own an LS2 car will tell you it isn't worth the difference.

People that own an LS3 car will tell you that it is.

Listen to the people who have owned both.
That seems to be the best logic outside of getting the newest vette you can afford
Old 04-15-2012, 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by willmkent
So as I continue my hunt for a c6 I keep finding some pretty nice deals on the 2005-2007 models with the ls2. Basically what I'm wondering is, will I kick myself for not spending extra bucks and going with a model that has the ls3, I'm really thinking that I'll be purchasing a six speed so I'm not concerned about an auto trans. Stock for stock does anyone know/ feel the difference?

Thanks for the help guys!

-will
I don't have time to read 6 pages of replies, but I'll tell you my experience... When I was shoping for my first vette last summer, I was dead set on an 08'+ ls3 6 speed jet stream blue... I ended up with a highly modified 2005 ls2 6 speed z51 custom painted flat black for the same price range with only 17k miles on it... I don't think the ls2 and ls3 motors are different enough to matter in the long run... Buy it for looks and price, you'll be happy with either...
Old 04-15-2012, 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by petermj
Make it LT1 to LT4 if you want to compare anything...


Those who went from the 300 HP LT1 to the 330 HP LT4 raved about the increased performance.

Another good comparison would be LS1 to 2001 LS6 which was an increase from 350 HP to 385 HP - a 35 HP bump. Very similar to the LS2 to LS3 bump. Those that went from an LS1 to LS6 (even the 385 HP version) raved about the increased performance.
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Originally Posted by need-for-speed


Those who went from the 300 HP LT1 to the 330 HP LT4 raved about the increased performance.

Another good comparison would be LS1 to 2001 LS6 which was an increase from 350 HP to 385 HP - a 35 HP bump. Very similar to the LS2 to LS3 bump. Those that went from an LS1 to LS6 (even the 385 HP version) raved about the increased performance.
C5 Z06 was lighter though than the regular C5, thus, you could feel the increase somewhat more pronounced.

However, there was a noticable difference in performance between LT4 and LT1 in identical car, this was documented rather well at the time, including GM underrating LT4 by at least 10 ponies
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Originally Posted by Gearhead Jim
As you can tell from my post #72, I love our LS3. And it certainly feels like it has more than 36 extra HP.

But regarding your dyno numbers, your LS3 was supposed to have that extra 36 Hp at the crank. With a typical 10% drivetrain loss, that works out 39.6 HP at the crank. That's close enough I suspect it could be explained by normal engine-to-engine variations or run-to-run variations on the dyno.
Jim, it is a result of changing to the newer "SAE Certified" rating system. It is well documented in threads going back to when the LS3 came out. In fact, there is one very long thread started by "Marina Blue", with some follow ups where some folks finally realized that the hp difference between the LS2 and LS3 really was as much as what I stated.
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I found it a really noticeable seat of the pants difference from LS2 to a LS3. From off idle to 6000 plus rpm as soon as I drove the LS3.
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When I started shopping I was looking for a C5, one owner, low mileage.

I ended up with a 09C6 with less than 2300 miles

Just be sure and get what you want, dont settle or you will not be happy

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Buy one with a blown engine and get a Summit 427ci for 9k and be done with it.
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Originally Posted by FrankTank
This forum always amuses me... to see people debate over the difference between an LS2 (400HP) vs. an LS3 (430HP) , and a majority say go with the LS3 which is fine I tend to lean that direction.... now start the same thread but compare the LS3 to the LS7, and many say they can't justify the price difference (which is more ) , however now we are comparing 505 HP vs. 430 HP. Bigger price difference, but bigger power difference



Sorry, I digress... as you were gentelmen
I had the same thought....
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Ah, to hell with it. What we REALLY all want is an LS9!
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Originally Posted by jschindler
They changed the rating system. I have a dyno overlay that MTI in Houston did for me. My LS3 dyno'd 36 more rwhp than a typical LS2. Trap speeds in the 1/4 mile back that up. I personally ran 3 mph greater trap speed in the 1/4 mile.
Like I siad something doesn't add up. The LS3 seems to have quite a hardware advantage for only 30 more rated HP.
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Originally Posted by Shifter6
Like I siad something doesn't add up. The LS3 seems to have quite a hardware advantage for only 30 more rated HP.
I blame my friend Mike for sucking me into this thread
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Originally Posted by jschindler
I blame my friend Mike for sucking me into this thread
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So with a few responses I've read that the ls2 power didn't have the wow factor on some people, so let me put it this way. Right now I'm driving a 265 horse power 2011 Taurus sel which weighs about 4,000lbs. Am I going to get into an ls2 c6 and feel like I expected more? Or does the ls2 still pin ya to the seat?!

I truly would like to save money for a few mods that I would like to do but In the long run if the ls3 truly so much better, it might be worth the wait... Basically I would have to wait a little longer in order to be able to comfortably afford it...but then again I'm spending more money again..

-will

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Old 04-16-2012, 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by willmkent
...does the ls2 still pin ya to the seat?
...Yes it does.

I can't speak about the LS3, but you will feel the thrill of sudden and rapid acceleration with the LS2 if you launch it correctly.

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If it was between the LS2 and the LS3 for me and I couldnt get an LS3.............I would go for an LS6.

JUST as much power as the LS2 and they just sound better. Granted they are in a C5 so you will be going back a style but those things sound better (to me anyway), use the same heads (243s), get a larger cam (other than the 01 which is pretty much the same as the LS2), a better intake than the LS2, and they feel more race-like to me than the LS2, which I can say felt a little lazy in my friends car/cars.

If you plan to mod than the engine doesnt matter because sooner or later you will end up replacing it. Simple bolt ons and the most power you can get that way the LS3 is the clear winner. That being said the LS2 is a hell of an engine.
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The 2006 Z-51 six speed cars come with a lower gear ratio on 1st, 2nd, and 3rd, and you can feel the additional torque at the lower gears
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LS3>LS6>LS2
The LS2 was the adopted weakling son =0) heheheeh


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