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Old 02-11-2012, 03:23 PM
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Driving in Virginia I keep the front plate mounted (topflightpro.com mount) because of recent VA trooper pull over and subsequent $91.50 fine. Now, if I cross the state line and remove the front plate at first pit stop can a LE officer from say, NC, PA, WVA, NY or any other united state pull me over for not having the front plate mounted??? .....
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Driving in Virginia I keep the front plate mounted (topflightpro.com mount) because of recent VA trooper pull over and subsequent $91.50 fine. Now, if I cross the state line and remove the front plate at first pit stop can a LE officer from say, NC, PA, WVA, NY or any other united state pull me over for not having the front plate mounted??? .....
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Originally Posted by Radioman
Driving in Virginia I keep the front plate mounted (topflightpro.com mount) because of recent VA trooper pull over and subsequent $91.50 fine. Now, if I cross the state line and remove the front plate at first pit stop can a LE officer from say, NC, PA, WVA, NY or any other united state pull me over for not having the front plate mounted??? .....
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Originally Posted by Radioman
Driving in Virginia I keep the front plate mounted (topflightpro.com mount) because of recent VA trooper pull over and subsequent $91.50 fine. Now, if I cross the state line and remove the front plate at first pit stop can a LE officer from say, NC, PA, WVA, NY or any other united state pull me over for not having the front plate mounted??? .....
What reg would they possibly cite you for? You think your state knows the rules of all other states and has written regs to address your failure to comply with with a state they have no jurisdiction over? That would be absurd.
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I would think not, But in 1969 i was stopped in Colorado by State police for having the half covers on the Headlights of my Chevelle that was wearing ohio plates. So if the Leo wants to screw with you i guess he could stop you but i don't see how he could ticket you.
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Most troopers have a pretty good idea of which states require a front plate that are in close proximity. In TX the fine is only $25.00 so it's more of a nuisance fine. This is what I use and have never had an issue here or elsewhere. http://store.corvettemuseum.com/detail.aspx?ID=1071

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The short answer is no.

The reason is there has to be a state law (vehicle code sec.) that allows their agency to enforce anothers' state law. I've never heard of that and I was ''on the job'' for 32 years. The only enforceable out of state reg is a Federal reg and still, there has to be a state citing instrument (reg) to allow that state to enforce a Fed reg. Sounds confusing and that is why I gave the short answer of no.

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It is based on the state in which in which the vehicle is registered.. so no, another state cannot write you a ticket for not displaying when you are out your registered state.
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Originally Posted by ittlfly
The short answer is no.

The reason is there has to be a state law (vehicle code sec.) that allows their agency to enforce anothers' state law. I've never heard of that and I was ''on the job'' for 32 years. The only enforceable out of state reg is a Federal reg and still, there has to be a state citing instrument (reg) to allow that state to enforce a Fed reg. Sounds confusing and that is why I gave the short answer of no.
I believe you're 100% correct.

Problem is, if you're driving thru a state that requires a front plate, you'll attract LEO attention if you don't have one.

I'd rather they notice & admire my C6 because its JetStream Blue -- which IMO is the least-likely-to-be-ticketed C6 color!
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I researched this a bit when I was going to take a trip from Colorado (2 plate state) to Bowling Green and was looking at removing the front plate once out of Colorado and what the ramifications might be.

What I found was that Officers in another state CAN site you for not adhering to your states' license laws.

If you search the net you find plenty of people complaining about just that occurrence especially in upstate N.Y.

On Officerdotcom they talk about how some departments even publish a list of 2 plate states for their Officers to use in order to cite out of state drivers.
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Originally Posted by Cobotr
I researched this a bit when I was going to take a trip from Colorado (2 plate state) to Bowling Green and was looking at removing the front plate once out of Colorado and what the ramifications might be.

What I found was that Officers in another state CAN site you for not adhering to your states' license laws.

If you search the net you find plenty of people complaining about just that occurrence especially in upstate N.Y.

On Officerdotcom they talk about how some departments even publish a list of 2 plate states for their Officers to use in order to cite out of state drivers.
I started to mention that but my grand kids distracted me.
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Most likely I am in the minority....but whats the problem with putting the front plate on if it's mandated in your state. Because it doesn't look good .... doesn't cut it in my book. And, in case you're interested....I live in North Carolina which doesn't require a front plate.
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Dale, I'm in Chesapeake, VA. I have an extra bracket that I fabricated that places the LP in the position shown below. It was designed to be easily installed and removed. I keep the fixed mounted portion of the bracket attached to the car and the removealbe part with the license plate attached in the trunk ready to install if I have to. Shoot me a PM if you want to give it a try.

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I didn't run a front plate in Calif. for many years and not once got busted for that although the couple of tickets that I did get out there, they could have written me for that. I retired and moved to a no front plate state. No longer a worry for me but waiting for someone to stop me now! I doubt it'll happen as I don't often break any laws and now that I'm not in a hurry to get to work any more, I cruise wherever I'm going and enjoy life.
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Originally Posted by ittlfly
The short answer is no.

The reason is there has to be a state law (vehicle code sec.) that allows their agency to enforce anothers' state law. I've never heard of that and I was ''on the job'' for 32 years. The only enforceable out of state reg is a Federal reg and still, there has to be a state citing instrument (reg) to allow that state to enforce a Fed reg. Sounds confusing and that is why I gave the short answer of no.
They can hassle you but they can only enforce the laws of their state. That isn't going to make some LEOs happy. They thought they had you when they saw no front plate and they really want to give you a ticket but when it comes down to putting on the ticket the section of the vehicle code that you violated they have to put down a section of their state's code and that code only applies to vehicles registered in their state. Example: From the Illinois code
(625 ILCS 5/1-217) (from Ch. 95 1/2, par. 1-217)
Sec. 1-217. Vehicle. Every device, in, upon or by which any person or property is or may be transported or drawn upon a highway or requiring a certificate of title under Section 3-101(d) of this Code...
And if you follow the code eventually you find an exception to the title requirement of "3. A vehicle owned by a non-resident of this State and not required by law to be registered in this State;" By that definition your car is not a vehicle in Illinois since it is not required that you have a certificate of title issued by the state of Illinois. Your car is titled in a different state. Since it is not a vehicle in Illinois, no law specifying what vehicles are required to have/not have or do/not do would apply to your not-a-vehicle. Now, will that fly in court? Won't make them happy but a good lawyer should be able to make the case.

In other words, yes, LEOs are going to be looking at you more without a plate and are more likely to stop you. They may even give you a ticket because they can ticket anyone for any reason if they so choose. That doesn't mean the ticket will hold up in court. So, you can run without a plate (which I do all the time) and take your chances or you can keep the plate on and not risk finding an SOB who doesn't care what the law says and only cares what he thinks the law should be.
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Originally Posted by 2vettes
What reg would they possibly cite you for? You think your state knows the rules of all other states and has written regs to address your failure to comply with with a state they have no jurisdiction over? That would be absurd.
Trust me....the cops have laws for any occasion. If they want to cite you for something they will (even if they have to look up some obscure statute and mail you a citation weeks later). More to the point, you're still required to comply with your 'home' state laws regarding your license plates no matter which state you're in. It may not be likely you'd be singled-out for a missing plate but you could be.

If you have to have a front plate deal with it. I couldn't imagine crossing the state line and removing the front plate.

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Originally Posted by Cobotr
I researched this a bit when I was going to take a trip from Colorado (2 plate state) to Bowling Green and was looking at removing the front plate once out of Colorado and what the ramifications might be.

What I found was that Officers in another state CAN site you for not adhering to your states' license laws.

If you search the net you find plenty of people complaining about just that occurrence especially in upstate N.Y.

On Officerdotcom they talk about how some departments even publish a list of 2 plate states for their Officers to use in order to cite out of state drivers.
Pure BS.
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Originally Posted by MikeyTX
Most troopers have a pretty good idea of which states require a front plate that are in close proximity. In TX the fine is only $25.00 so it's more of a nuisance fine. This is what I use and have never had an issue here or elsewhere. http://store.corvettemuseum.com/detail.aspx?ID=1071
I got ticketed for using the NCM's bracket that you have. The citation was for improper display of the plate. The ticket was bogus because I was't in violation and the court magistrate dismissed the charge.

I will say that my plate got mangled and paint scraped off from hitting the bottom of my driveway and speed bumps. Finally got the top flight reproductions removal bracket. Since I have a vanity plate, I really don't mind having a front plate; don't think about it much.
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knock on wood: i have not run a front plate on any of my toys since 1994..i live in VA. never been stopped. And I do use I95 quite often.


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