Corvette C6 sales disappointing...
02-11-2012, 07:12 AM
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Uhh, you might want to go back and look again. I did not bring it up. Go back and read thread 161, and my response on the following thread.
As to the performance of the ZR1 vs C5, I posted an extremely comprehensive list of ZR1 performance times versus what I have personally run in two near stock C5's. I have plenty of magazines in my closet with road tests that I could go pull out, but given that I personally ran two C5's to those times I didn't see the need to.
As to the performance of the ZR1 vs C5, I posted an extremely comprehensive list of ZR1 performance times versus what I have personally run in two near stock C5's. I have plenty of magazines in my closet with road tests that I could go pull out, but given that I personally ran two C5's to those times I didn't see the need to.
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02-11-2012, 07:35 AM
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What?
I still think the biggest problem is they cost too much. Look, the beauty of a Corvette always used to be that an average American could one day buy one. But, to price them with Porsches & Bimmers..which doctors & lawyers buy is a marketing mistake. Where is the "bang for the buck" when a Vette costs as much as a Porsche? Keep a substantial gap, even between the top of the line and they will sell more of them. Why a GS costs 70 grand is beyond me.
It's all fluff! 
It's all fluff!
02-11-2012, 08:10 AM
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I'm just waiting for GM to send me my bailout rebate check (with interest) then I'll have a down payment for a new Vette... 
02-11-2012, 08:35 AM
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Mike: What? I'm a lawyer and I own a Vette. I don't want a Porsche or BMW. I dreamed of one day owning a Corvette ever since I saw my first Corvette as a kid back in the early 60's. I consider myself an average American. I wasn't able to afford a Corvette until I was 51 years old and I had raised my kids. I'm 59 now and on my fourth Corvette, which is a 2011 Grand Sport coupe in jet stream blue. I really tire of hearing that just because someone is a doctor or a lawyer they somehow are thought to not be an "average American" or for some reason are too good to settle for something like a Corvette. When I get in my Vette I am the 10 year old boy who fulfilled his childhood dream. Remember the commercial by GM, "A Boy's Dream"? I can relate. In any event....
02-11-2012, 09:13 AM
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Another fortune teller predicting doom and gloom.
The economy has been improving for months.
Corvette sales are down for two reasons: The C7 will be out soon (that's the small reason), and the big reason, the housing problem.
Why the housing situation? Easy. No equity to tap for toys by 50+ year olds. The demographic for new Vette buyers is heavily skewed towards older buyers.
Older buyers have tapped equity in their homes when they downsized or when they felt like spending it before they got too old.
That equity is GONE!
Older buyers aren't taking out $30k car loans, not putting it on credit cards and not taking it out of the stock market where many still haven't gotten back to where they were before the Bush collapse.
The economy has been improving for months.
Corvette sales are down for two reasons: The C7 will be out soon (that's the small reason), and the big reason, the housing problem.
Why the housing situation? Easy. No equity to tap for toys by 50+ year olds. The demographic for new Vette buyers is heavily skewed towards older buyers.
Older buyers have tapped equity in their homes when they downsized or when they felt like spending it before they got too old.
That equity is GONE!
Older buyers aren't taking out $30k car loans, not putting it on credit cards and not taking it out of the stock market where many still haven't gotten back to where they were before the Bush collapse.
GDP % = 1.7% growth first three quaters of 2011
Housing Market = clearly on its back in every measurable factor (I bought a house 2 years ago and have 0 equity)
Unemployment % = 8.3% (is dropping because the pool of available workers is shrinking, NOT because of increased jobs)
Again are you suggesting Corvette sales dropped in 08 b/c of the C7 coming out in 2013?
Yes the collapse happened while Bush was in office, but this collapse was a buildup of 30 years worth of failed Government policy. He happend to be there when S*#t hit the fan.
Obama has had 11 quaters to right the ship and it has not happened. Go vote for Obama and the Stimulus, Obamacare and Dodd-Frank bills. We need more of that kind of hope and change.
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02-11-2012, 09:36 AM
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I think we all get that there are people like you - and I mean that as a compliment btw. But I think his point is valid. The success of selling 35,000 Corvettes a year came from the fact that the car was attainable by people even with a modest income. They seem to be driving away from that business model.
02-11-2012, 12:03 PM
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Uhh, you might want to go back and look again. I did not bring it up. Go back and read thread 161, and my response on the following thread.
As to the performance of the ZR1 vs C5, I posted an extremely comprehensive list of ZR1 performance times versus what I have personally run in two near stock C5's. I have plenty of magazines in my closet with road tests that I could go pull out, but given that I personally ran two C5's to those times I didn't see the need to.
As to the performance of the ZR1 vs C5, I posted an extremely comprehensive list of ZR1 performance times versus what I have personally run in two near stock C5's. I have plenty of magazines in my closet with road tests that I could go pull out, but given that I personally ran two C5's to those times I didn't see the need to.
You responded to a political comment with a political comment. However you did not like the response you received and rather then back up what you said you wanted it shut down.
However I'm aware that you are a good contributing member to this forum and respect what you have to say about the Corvette. You often add good information to threads.
02-11-2012, 02:35 PM
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LOL fortune teller? I am telling no fortune only a reality. Three metrics measure the true strength of the economy:
GDP % = 1.7% growth first three quaters of 2011
Housing Market = clearly on its back in every measurable factor (I bought a house 2 years ago and have 0 equity)
Unemployment % = 8.3% (is dropping because the pool of available workers is shrinking, NOT because of increased jobs)
Again are you suggesting Corvette sales dropped in 08 b/c of the C7 coming out in 2013?
Yes the collapse happened while Bush was in office, but this collapse was a buildup of 30 years worth of failed Government policy. He happend to be there when S*#t hit the fan.
Obama has had 11 quaters to right the ship and it has not happened. Go vote for Obama and the Stimulus, Obamacare and Dodd-Frank bills. We need more of that kind of hope and change.
GDP % = 1.7% growth first three quaters of 2011
Housing Market = clearly on its back in every measurable factor (I bought a house 2 years ago and have 0 equity)
Unemployment % = 8.3% (is dropping because the pool of available workers is shrinking, NOT because of increased jobs)
Again are you suggesting Corvette sales dropped in 08 b/c of the C7 coming out in 2013?
Yes the collapse happened while Bush was in office, but this collapse was a buildup of 30 years worth of failed Government policy. He happend to be there when S*#t hit the fan.
Obama has had 11 quaters to right the ship and it has not happened. Go vote for Obama and the Stimulus, Obamacare and Dodd-Frank bills. We need more of that kind of hope and change.
A lot more than two years.
Funny, the top 1% seemed to have made out just fine over the last 5 years.
They must be democrats, right? LOL
02-11-2012, 05:00 PM
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#1 There was a little event that happened 09/11/01. This was not only a attack that killed 3000 people it was a direct attack at America's financial center. You can disagree with the wars that followed, yet we had to do something. This was not cheap.
#2 You also forgot who was in charge of both the senate & congress when things went bad financially. The democrats were in complete charge of both houses in 2006, 2007 & 2008. Now it is possible you missed some school when they taught how the branches of government works. But the legislative branch of the government controls the budget.
To help you learn your president has a website that will tell you just how the legislative branch works, and how important it is. In the future when talking about politics it is good to know wtf you are talking about. I hope you can learn something.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/our-govern...slative-branch
02-11-2012, 09:48 PM
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Uhh, you might want to go back and look again. You did bring it up. Go back and read thread 162, and your post.
You responded to a political comment with a political comment. However you did not like the response you received and rather then back up what you said you wanted it shut down.
However I'm aware that you are a good contributing member to this forum and respect what you have to say about the Corvette. You often add good information to threads.
You responded to a political comment with a political comment. However you did not like the response you received and rather then back up what you said you wanted it shut down.
However I'm aware that you are a good contributing member to this forum and respect what you have to say about the Corvette. You often add good information to threads.
I do understand how you take it that I contributed though - even though that was not my intent, so I will take the blame for that.
I appreciate the rest of your comments about me
02-11-2012, 11:06 PM
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Also waiting!
02-12-2012, 12:11 AM
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You quite conveniently forgot a few things.
#1 There was a little event that happened 09/11/01. This was not only a attack that killed 3000 people it was a direct attack at America's financial center. You can disagree with the wars that followed, yet we had to do something. This was not cheap.
#2 You also forgot who was in charge of both the senate & congress when things went bad financially. The democrats were in complete charge of both houses in 2006, 2007 & 2008. Now it is possible you missed some school when they taught how the branches of government works. But the legislative branch of the government controls the budget.
To help you learn your president has a website that will tell you just how the legislative branch works, and how important it is. In the future when talking about politics it is good to know wtf you are talking about. I hope you can learn something.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/our-govern...slative-branch
#1 There was a little event that happened 09/11/01. This was not only a attack that killed 3000 people it was a direct attack at America's financial center. You can disagree with the wars that followed, yet we had to do something. This was not cheap.
#2 You also forgot who was in charge of both the senate & congress when things went bad financially. The democrats were in complete charge of both houses in 2006, 2007 & 2008. Now it is possible you missed some school when they taught how the branches of government works. But the legislative branch of the government controls the budget.
To help you learn your president has a website that will tell you just how the legislative branch works, and how important it is. In the future when talking about politics it is good to know wtf you are talking about. I hope you can learn something.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/our-govern...slative-branch
#1 What sort of genius does it take to initiate 2 wars and, at the same time, give massive tax breaks to the top 1%? Then give an unfunded Medicare prescription plan?
But of course the "job creators" need tax breaks to create jobs. Except they didn't create any jobs in America. They just pocketed the money and hired child slave labor in Asia.
#2 Perhaps they didn't teach you anything about "cause and effect" in school. Or maybe you weren't listening or couldn't comprehend. Decisions made in Bush/Cheney's first term came back to haunt us all in his second term. Look it up. Cause and effect.
I hope I've taught you something. At least that you can't rely on Fox News for all your information, no matter how comforting it might be to stay in the bubble with Rush and the Fox News crew.
02-12-2012, 12:14 AM
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The bailout's purpose was to save hundreds of thousands of jobs in the auto industry in the United States. Mission accomplished.
Didn't anyone ever tell you that the stock market wasn't an insured savings account and, in fact, was risky?
I'm pretty sure they did.
02-12-2012, 11:48 AM
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You can buy a new Corvette with equivalent performance for $49,600.
They either need to raise prices to keep profitable or lose money and shut eventually shut down. When you've got fixed cost spread over fewer units, you don't have a whole lot of choice.
02-12-2012, 01:58 PM
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I didn't forget anything. You need to get out of the "bubble" and stop getting all your information from Fox News.
#1 What sort of genius does it take to initiate 2 wars and, at the same time, give massive tax breaks to the top 1%? Then give an unfunded Medicare prescription plan?
But of course the "job creators" need tax breaks to create jobs. Except they didn't create any jobs in America. They just pocketed the money and hired child slave labor in Asia.
#2 Perhaps they didn't teach you anything about "cause and effect" in school. Or maybe you weren't listening or couldn't comprehend. Decisions made in Bush/Cheney's first term came back to haunt us all in his second term. Look it up. Cause and effect.
A lot of people don't understand that the things in the past will bite you in the future. Good job in telling the facts. Most people don't want the facts. As I said many times to people it is not your problem until its hits you. I also agree with the folowing statement by you:
"I hope I've taught you something. At least that you can't rely on Fox News for all your information, no matter how comforting it might be to stay in the bubble with Rush and the Fox News crew".
#1 What sort of genius does it take to initiate 2 wars and, at the same time, give massive tax breaks to the top 1%? Then give an unfunded Medicare prescription plan?
But of course the "job creators" need tax breaks to create jobs. Except they didn't create any jobs in America. They just pocketed the money and hired child slave labor in Asia.
#2 Perhaps they didn't teach you anything about "cause and effect" in school. Or maybe you weren't listening or couldn't comprehend. Decisions made in Bush/Cheney's first term came back to haunt us all in his second term. Look it up. Cause and effect.
A lot of people don't understand that the things in the past will bite you in the future. Good job in telling the facts. Most people don't want the facts. As I said many times to people it is not your problem until its hits you. I also agree with the folowing statement by you:
"I hope I've taught you something. At least that you can't rely on Fox News for all your information, no matter how comforting it might be to stay in the bubble with Rush and the Fox News crew".
02-12-2012, 02:27 PM
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We have a forum especially for this kind of discussion, and I was going to let this stand until someone quoted you.
Or MSDNC
Maybe W's problem was calling it a war, but at least he had approval of Congress before he started it, unlike our Chairman, who is taking on Libya and Pakistan with Iran heating up too. And then there's the small matter of accumulating more debt in 3 years than all the previous presidents combined. 1000+ days without a budget. Stealing $500B from Social Security to fund a scam called health care.
The tax breaks went to everyone, and by the way, Barry extended those because he knows it would stall the economy. How many poor people hire anyone? Poor people need jobs, not tax breaks because they don't pay a dime now anyway. 47% of Americans do not pay federal income tax.
You get the point?
And Barry spent $3,000,000,000 on jobs that turned out not to be shovel ready. More people on food stamps than ever before. And who is on Barrys job council? Immelt, who announced he's moving the X-Ray division to China.
Who wants to invest money building up companies when a president has declared war, pitting the rich against everyone, while he goes vacationing in Hawaii and Martha Vineyard?
What will be the effect of more people dependent on government than ever before? Of having debt exceed GDP for the first time since WWII? Of having our credit rating lowered once, and likely again in a few months? Of allowing the Muslim Brotherhood to take over the Middle East? Of ignoring W's efforts to reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac? Of Dodd-Frank on banking? Of government take-over of our health care industry?
I hope I've taught you something. At least that you can't rely on MSDNC News for all your information, no matter how comforting it might be to stay in the bubble with Maddow and the Alphabet letter News crew.
The tax breaks went to everyone, and by the way, Barry extended those because he knows it would stall the economy. How many poor people hire anyone? Poor people need jobs, not tax breaks because they don't pay a dime now anyway. 47% of Americans do not pay federal income tax.
You get the point?
Who wants to invest money building up companies when a president has declared war, pitting the rich against everyone, while he goes vacationing in Hawaii and Martha Vineyard?
I hope I've taught you something. At least that you can't rely on MSDNC News for all your information, no matter how comforting it might be to stay in the bubble with Maddow and the Alphabet letter News crew.
