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Old 01-30-2011, 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by AFVETTE
It'll be 2014 at the earliest before we see the C7 and will be anyone's guess as to the model's they keep/drop.

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Incorrect. I ran into the GM of the Chevy dealer that I have been doing business with, and know him quite well. He just returned from a meeting with Chevy and was told that the C7 will be a 2013 model hitting showrooms in the last quarter of 2012.
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Old 01-30-2011, 05:59 PM
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I love my '08 and intend to keep it for a while. I couldn't care about the C7.
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Originally Posted by mpuzach
You might want to check your facts before posting crap like this. 1963 coupe production was 10,594, more than any other year of C2 production.
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Isn't that about the same as the 2010 production numbers for ALL Corvette's?

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Pretty close, Tom. I believe total 2010 production for all Corvettes was 12,194.
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Originally Posted by vettedoogie
I was there too. Yet somehow, we can go out today and buy a STOCK small block 430hp Corvette that would kick the livin crap out of any 60's car you can mention while still getting 25 mpg or better when you want it to.
So what's your point? Like I said in my post the 430hp vette is history just like in the 1970's. We have a 430hp vette because muscle cars came back but the downhill slide is starting because of a small group of politicians that don't know their butt from a hole in the ground. If the article is true then they will begin reducing engine size with the C8 so they can meet CAFE standards.

There is no need for CAFE standards. The politicians should butt out of private markets.

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Originally Posted by SouthBaySurfer
I love my '08 and intend to keep it for a while. I couldn't care about the C7.
I too love my C-5 and my C-6, but looking forward to possibly getting a C-7 depending on what they do. That'll probably be it for me for the rest of time.
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Old 01-30-2011, 06:22 PM
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Pure speculation on C&D's part. All one needs to do is go back in Corvette history to see that none of the current generations made it to the show room when the magazines said they would. The C4 was late, the C5 was late, and the C7 will be late (2015 IMHO).
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Old 01-30-2011, 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by goatts
So what's your point? Like I said in my post the 430hp vette is history just like in the 1970's. The downhill slide is starting because of a small group of politicians that don't know their butt from a hole in the ground. If the article is true then they will begin reducing engine size with the C8 so they can meet CAFE standards.

There is no need for CAFE standards. The politicians should butt out of private markets.
My point is that it was the end of nothing. Here we are 40 yrs later with performance that is FAR greater than it ever was...greater than the vast majority of Corvette owners can ever take full advantage of. BTW, you really think if it was left up to American carmakers we'd ever have gotten to anything close to the mpg OR safety we get in ANY car?

As for politicians in private markets, where do you think food safety laws came from? Food is a private market. You want politicians to butt out of that? How about pharmaceutical standards? Private market.

I'm not here to sell CAFE but I think folks like you are crying too much about it.

Here, grab your blanky, read this and suck your thumb a while...it'll be alright.
http://www.caranddriver.com/features...ndards-feature
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Old 01-30-2011, 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by vettedoogie
My point is that it was the end of nothing. Here we are 40 yrs later with performance that is FAR greater than it ever was...greater than the vast majority of Corvette owners can ever take full advantage of. BTW, you really think if it was left up to American carmakers we'd ever have gotten to anything close to the mpg OR safety we get in ANY car?

As for politicians in private markets, where do you think food safety laws came from? Food is a private market. You want politicians to butt out of that? How about pharmaceutical standards? Private market.

I'm not here to sell CAFE but I think folks like you are crying too much about it.

Here, grab your blanky, read this and suck your thumb a while...it'll be alright.
http://www.caranddriver.com/features...ndards-feature
I agree. I had the pleasure of being a teen in the 60's, when my hormones were screaming for cars. One of the true peaks in automotive design had to be '67. Look where we are today. The Chevy folks have never really given up, maybe the bean counter weenys did, but what did they know. The engineers never did. The LS engine series is proof; probably one of the most increadible engine series ever.
One of the reasons I quit subscribing to C&D was their never ending diatribe against the V8. Funny how their vaunted European brands all use the V8 for their performance cars. Ironic. But I digress.
I fully expect that the C7 will be a true world class super car. Some us may puke initially, but it will grow on us, as have all the "C" versions.
When I realized that the C6 was truely the car I dreamed of since birth, I bought one. I can have the AC on, and radio blaring, and suck the paint off an L88 or L89, radio and heater delete vette of the 60's. With a small block no less, and get 30+MPG on the highway.
I am sure C7 will be even better, and the C&D folks will be eating their words and looking for something else American to trash.
Chin up!
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Old 01-30-2011, 07:26 PM
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Would not surprise me if they do eliminate either the base model or GS model. These two models are basically the same (IMHO). GM has to be smart with their production, especially if we want their pricing to remain reasonable considering the amount of car we are getting for the price.
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Originally Posted by vettedoogie
My point is that it was the end of nothing. Here we are 40 yrs later with performance that is FAR greater than it ever was...greater than the vast majority of Corvette owners can ever take full advantage of. BTW, you really think if it was left up to American carmakers we'd ever have gotten to anything close to the mpg OR safety we get in ANY car?

As for politicians in private markets, where do you think food safety laws came from? Food is a private market. You want politicians to butt out of that? How about pharmaceutical standards? Private market.

I'm not here to sell CAFE but I think folks like you are crying too much about it.

Here, grab your blanky, read this and suck your thumb a while...it'll be alright.
http://www.caranddriver.com/features...ndards-feature

You make some great points on where intervention is value added and as long as that intervention provides value while leaving my rights alone I am content. I agree as well in regards to what technology has accomplished compared to muscle cars of the past. I think many forget that all the engines in the C6 cars right up to the ZR1, are all small blocks. The 7 liter in the Z06 still reigns as the most powerful N/A motor GM has ever built and it is a small block. I can only imagine what they could do with an 8 liter build. I have no doubt the next generation will perform at least on par and probably better than the current platform even if the new engine is the 5.5 or smaller. GM appears to have finally broadened its play ground to allow power adders into the mix.
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Originally Posted by vettedoogie
My point is that it was the end of nothing. Here we are 40 yrs later with performance that is FAR greater than it ever was...greater than the vast majority of Corvette owners can ever take full advantage of. BTW, you really think if it was left up to American carmakers we'd ever have gotten to anything close to the mpg OR safety we get in ANY car?

As for politicians in private markets, where do you think food safety laws came from? Food is a private market. You want politicians to butt out of that? How about pharmaceutical standards? Private market.

I'm not here to sell CAFE but I think folks like you are crying too much about it.

Here, grab your blanky, read this and suck your thumb a while...it'll be alright.
http://www.caranddriver.com/features...ndards-feature
Very well put. So tired of people who can't do exactly as they please, and everyone else be damned, whining all over the place. Selfish to no end.
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Originally Posted by 30YR W8T

You make some great points on where intervention is value added and as long as that intervention provides value while leaving my rights alone I am content. I agree as well in regards to what technology has accomplished compared to muscle cars of the past. I think many forget that all the engines in the C6 cars right up to the ZR1, are all small blocks. The 7 liter in the Z06 still reigns as the most powerful N/A motor GM has ever built and it is a small block. I can only imagine what they could do with an 8 liter build. I have no doubt the next generation will perform at least on par and probably better than the current platform even if the new engine is the 5.5 or smaller. GM appears to have finally broadened its play ground to allow power adders into the mix.
I honestly believe that if a major loss of power would further hurt very low Corvette sales (which BTW, aren't off because of lower power right now!) the CAFE rules (written WITH government AND automakers) could be lifted or eased in any number of ways...especially as it relates to enforcement! That relates to plenty of other carmakers too!

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Originally Posted by vettedoogie
My point is that it was the end of nothing. Here we are 40 yrs later with performance that is FAR greater than it ever was...greater than the vast majority of Corvette owners can ever take full advantage of. BTW, you really think if it was left up to American carmakers we'd ever have gotten to anything close to the mpg OR safety we get in ANY car?

As for politicians in private markets, where do you think food safety laws came from? Food is a private market. You want politicians to butt out of that? How about pharmaceutical standards? Private market.

I'm not here to sell CAFE but I think folks like you are crying too much about it.

Here, grab your blanky, read this and suck your thumb a while...it'll be alright.
http://www.caranddriver.com/features...ndards-feature
Yes mr liberal I want them to butt out. You apparently can't think for yourself since you need a bureaurocrat to dictate every little detail of your life and wipe your little butt. You need someone to tell you what mpg your car gets??? You too dumb to figure that out for yourself. You want someone to tell you what to eat and when you're going to die? Pharmaceutical standards are the reason for the skyrocketing cost of drugs. Steven Chu is going to make you paint your roof white (or have you already done yours?). Since you love suckling at the teats of nanny gubment, why don't you move to Cuba. You're probably already planning on it.
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Yes mr liberal I want them to butt out. You apparently can't think for yourself since you need a bureaurocrat to dictate every little detail of your life and wipe your little butt. You need someone to tell you what mpg your car gets??? You too dumb to figure that out for yourself. You want someone to tell you what to eat and when you're going to die? Pharmaceutical standards are the reason for the skyrocketing cost of drugs. Steven Chu is going to make you paint your roof white (or have you already done yours?). Since you love suckling at the teats of nanny gubment, why don't you move to Cuba. You're probably already planning on it.
Thank you Mr. Fox. I hope you get the next batch of bad pharma brought in from China.
BTW, why DO you drive an Accord?

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Originally Posted by Marc V.
From a very reliable source at Chevy, the 5th generation Chevy small block will be 5.5 liter, still single cam pushrod engine obviously, but with variable valve timing set up much like the system in the Dodge Viper. Also direct injection and cylinder deactivation. Nearly the same HP, maybe slight increase, but better MPG.

The specifications for the new engine will conform to the new class the car is racing in the ALMS series. Has been stated that we will see direct injection 5.5 ltr engine. Probably will have more HP, wonder if they will be able to increase torque?
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I agree. IOne of the reasons I quit subscribing to C&D was their never ending diatribe against the V8. Funny how their vaunted European brands all use the V8 for their performance cars. Ironic. But I digress.
I fully expect that the C7 will be a true world class super car. Some us may puke initially, but it will grow on us, as have all the "C" versions. coop
Say what?? Is that the best BS you can come up with? The C7 will make us puke but we'll love it in the end? Kinda like the new healthcare law?
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Thank you Mr. Fox. I hope you get the next batch of bad pharma brought in from China.
BTW, why DO you drive an Accord?
Spoken like a true lib. I don't wish anything bad upon you. I just don't want you and your ilk telling me what to do. Take your CAFE standards and regulations and stick them where the sun don't shine.

As for the Accord, the vette is the only American made car I've bought in the last 20 years and I've bought a lot of cars.

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I honestly believe that if a major loss of power would further hurt very low Corvette sales (which BTW, aren't off because of lower power right now!) the CAFE rules (written WITH government AND automakers) could be lifted or eased in any number of ways...especially as it relates to enforcement! That relates to plenty of other carmakers too!
No, no, no, not according to your buddy c6coop. We would just puke on ourselves and let it grow!
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.....Slightly longer than before
I doubt it, I think they want to continue to slim it down. The C6 started it, my bet is the C7 will continue the trend.

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Interior quality, not a Corvette strength, is now a high priority, and GM has set Audi as the benchmark for materials and fits.
I hope so - it's the one remaining area that many complain about. Bring it up to snuff and be done with it.

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(base versions may be called Grand Sport).
I agree, drop the base and go with the GS, but I'm also a biased WB fan.

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Later, all three engines will undergo displacement reductions to improve fuel economy.
IMO it would be better to do this as part of the C7 launch and not later on.
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