View Poll Results: Would you have purchased a Z06 if it came in an automatic transmission?
Yes
213
51.33%
No
202
48.67%
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Z06 Auto Trans Poll
#161
Le Mans Master
GM would do whatever it felt like to sell cars. Remember in the mid 1980's when GM sold a 140HP car and called it the Olds 442? I can site about 20 other examples.
GM could give a rats a** about you and your manual fetish. GM will do whatever it takes to sell a car. If GM knew that it could sell thousands of units of Z06's if it added an auto trans option, GM would do it. If GM knew it would sell thousands of units if it painted the C6 with polka dot's, it would.
GM doesn't hold to some archaic notion or some type of manual trans sports car creed. It does whatever it takes to sell cars. You are being naive.
#163
Le Mans Master
Obviously they are different animals. However, they are both animals and very fast. They also should have the same and most important mission of all to sell. See a car cannot survive if it does not sell and nobody wants one. A car that nobody wants is a complete failure. The Cadillac team in part by offering a automatic in the V cars helped ensure the car would succeed in its most important mission sales.
Again, it is obvious people would buy a Z if it had a automatic. Therefore Chevy would undoubtedly sell more. A ZO6 auto would tear up the 1/4 mile and make consumers very happy. Selling more Z's would certainly help the cars most important mission. Yet, sadly we are witnessing the Z die a embarrassing death with very few consumers wanting it and therefore failing it's big & most important mission of all.
Again, it is obvious people would buy a Z if it had a automatic. Therefore Chevy would undoubtedly sell more. A ZO6 auto would tear up the 1/4 mile and make consumers very happy. Selling more Z's would certainly help the cars most important mission. Yet, sadly we are witnessing the Z die a embarrassing death with very few consumers wanting it and therefore failing it's big & most important mission of all.
To state that it's dying an embarrassing death due to not offering an automatic is ridiculus.
#166
Le Mans Master
The A6 certainly would reduce acceleration a little, which could be a deal killer for serious competition. But if you install a simple cooler, it should survive pretty well. I know that even the clunky A4 in our 2001 with a $50 cooler did a lot of track weekends and autocross, never any problems. I sent a sample of the tranny fluid to Blackstone each year, they said that wear appeared to be normal.
GM actually knows what they are doing. They designed this car and it was tested. Those (not you) that think they know more of what the car capabilities actually are than GM obviously have little idea what they are talking about.
#167
Le Mans Master
The only reason we all own Vette's is due to the automatic. When offered as a option close to 70% of Corvettes come with the automatic. You can bet your Vette without a automatic the Corvette would die.
Sadly, you feel the automatic is not only wrong for you it is wrong for others. Some people like to race in circles, some people like to race the 1/4, some people do not race, some people live in heavily populated areas and, some people like yourself are a reason the Z06 has failed its most important mission.
This antiquated way of thinking is part of the reason GM is in trouble. Fortunately, for GM the guys at Cadillac are on the ball. If the entire corporation was run with this old tired thinking (boy racer) the corporation would be doomed. Don't let advancement leave you behind.
Sadly, you feel the automatic is not only wrong for you it is wrong for others. Some people like to race in circles, some people like to race the 1/4, some people do not race, some people live in heavily populated areas and, some people like yourself are a reason the Z06 has failed its most important mission.
This antiquated way of thinking is part of the reason GM is in trouble. Fortunately, for GM the guys at Cadillac are on the ball. If the entire corporation was run with this old tired thinking (boy racer) the corporation would be doomed. Don't let advancement leave you behind.
When GM finally introduces an electronic manual (like Ferrari, Lambo, BMW, Nissan, etc) THEN that transmission will fit the bill. But the slushbox will never be offered in the Z06, now or in the future. It's just old tech and way too inefficient for the narrow mission the Z06 was designed for.
#168
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There certainly is a market for an auto Z06 but to do right, the trans would need to be upgraded to a "true" DSG paddle shifting auto. Simply dropping in the current A6 wouldn't really match the caliber and spirit of the Z06 as a road track car. A drag strip car is a different story.
I owned a modified C6 Auto (A6) and the only thing I didn't like about it was the A6 in sport mode.
I owned a modified C6 Auto (A6) and the only thing I didn't like about it was the A6 in sport mode.
#169
More then likely the Corvette Z06 will not get a automatic even though they always surprise me. We often complain at how short sided the Corvette team is. In this case it is true.
#170
I love the ZO6. It is truly a great car in many ways. However, backward and short sided thinking of the Corvette team have not only embarrassed the model it has possibly doomed it as a complete failure when it comes to the sales mission.
#171
Le Mans Master
Yes, all Corvette sales are down. However, the Z06 sales are a embarrassment to a great car. It has failed it's #1 mission miserably.
I love the ZO6. It is truly a great car in many ways. However, backward and short sided thinking of the Corvette team have not only embarrassed the model it has possibly doomed it as a complete failure when it comes to the sales mission.
I love the ZO6. It is truly a great car in many ways. However, backward and short sided thinking of the Corvette team have not only embarrassed the model it has possibly doomed it as a complete failure when it comes to the sales mission.
Your opinion of how the Corvette team designed the car is just your opinion, which you are entitled too, but it hardly means much in reality. No serious source is claiming the Z06 is an "embarrassment" or a "failure". Honestly, that defies reality and just makes you look a tad bitter that GM won't take your advice.
Not trying to start a **** war with you or anyone, but this whole debate of what GM should have done with the Z06 is EXACTLY what happens when they design a car by committee with too many cooks in the kitchen (trying to please everyone, but pleasing no one). The Pontiac Aztek was designed in such a way.
#172
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St. Jude Donor '06-13,'16-'17, '19
The point was that auto's can be made to handle high-HP. Also, Porsche, Audi, BMW, Ferrari makes a Tiptronic that is .5 seconds faster than the manual in the same car. It can outshift and outperform the manual hands down on both the street, track, road coarse, drag strip or wherever.
Tom
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#174
Safety Car
Actually, GM made that decision already.
When GM finally introduces an electronic manual (like Ferrari, Lambo, BMW, Nissan, etc) THEN that transmission will fit the bill. But the slushbox will never be offered in the Z06, now or in the future. It's just old tech and way too inefficient for the narrow mission the Z06 was designed for.
When GM finally introduces an electronic manual (like Ferrari, Lambo, BMW, Nissan, etc) THEN that transmission will fit the bill. But the slushbox will never be offered in the Z06, now or in the future. It's just old tech and way too inefficient for the narrow mission the Z06 was designed for.
#175
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Only if GM would make the auto like a true F1 trans. Then I would def buy one. Look at the Porsche #'s with the traditional manual vs. their tiptronic trans. I was really surprised to see that the tiptronic was considerably faster than the traditional manual.
#176
Le Mans Master
Who cares what you bet? If you don't think GM should make a higher performance version of the corvette, go cry to GM about it.
#177
Melting Slicks
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Not flubbing the launch, not missing any shifts or bouncing off the rev limiter would be great. If Z-06s started to be sold with automatics, there would be a lot of owners making low 11 second passes, not videos of crashes because someone turned off the traction control and attempted to speed shift.
#178
Melting Slicks
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GM knows the A6 wouldn't last on a real track. Autocrossing is not the same thing. That's why you don't see a dry sump in the GS unless it's a manual. They know that no one would try and campaign an automatic on a road course, and therefore the dry sump is not needed. The car would be slower, and the transmission could not survive the heat.
Wrong again. The reason why the dry sump is only available in manual is because the crank snout for the dry sump setup only works on the manual trans connection. The automatic transmission will not mount to the crank in order for the dry sump to work.
GM would have to retool everything. Which it doesn't want to due to $$$.
#179
Melting Slicks
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We are up to 133 people (49%) that would have bought a Z06 if it came in an auto. Take that snapshot out of the forum and you would have 1,200+ people buying a Z06 INSTEAD of a base coupe, if it was offered in an auto trans.
That would have saved the Z06 and made more money for GM.
That would have saved the Z06 and made more money for GM.
#180
Le Mans Master
Actually, GM made that decision already.
When GM finally introduces an electronic manual (like Ferrari, Lambo, BMW, Nissan, etc) THEN that transmission will fit the bill. But the slushbox will never be offered in the Z06, now or in the future. It's just old tech and way too inefficient for the narrow mission the Z06 was designed for.
When GM finally introduces an electronic manual (like Ferrari, Lambo, BMW, Nissan, etc) THEN that transmission will fit the bill. But the slushbox will never be offered in the Z06, now or in the future. It's just old tech and way too inefficient for the narrow mission the Z06 was designed for.
What are the chances that we willl see a electronic manual on the C7