View Poll Results: Are you FOR or AGAINST having a "black box" in your C6?
I am FOR it
60
35.93%
I am AGAINST it
107
64.07%
Voters: 167. You may not vote on this poll
The Black Box
10-04-2010, 07:42 PM
#121
Race Director
I didn't vote because I really don't care. The thing you are looking at now is one of the biggest invasions of your privacy. Now I'm against them using a black box or something to adjust your insurance rates. Some insurance companies have a policy like that now. The more agressive you drive the more you pay.
I heard about Oregon's new plan for a gas tax. And people actually think they will spend less money for gas by getting a small dangerous, efficient for its size, car. The ODOT will also send your ticket to a collector if you are not quick at paying it.
I heard about Oregon's new plan for a gas tax. And people actually think they will spend less money for gas by getting a small dangerous, efficient for its size, car. The ODOT will also send your ticket to a collector if you are not quick at paying it.
10-04-2010, 08:32 PM
#122
Melting Slicks
10-04-2010, 09:07 PM
#123
Racer
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I am against. I'm confident that the majority of the time circumstantial evidence would prove my innocence or guilt. I feel that the data from the "black box" would be used against me before it would be used in my defense.
I firmly believe in "innocent until proven guilty" and a fallible "black box" is something I can do without in my life.
I just can't envision many situations where it would be used in my defense. I can think of many more instances that it could be used against me, heaven forbid something would happen where I would be the defendant.
Very interesting poll.
I firmly believe in "innocent until proven guilty" and a fallible "black box" is something I can do without in my life.
I just can't envision many situations where it would be used in my defense. I can think of many more instances that it could be used against me, heaven forbid something would happen where I would be the defendant.
Very interesting poll.
10-04-2010, 09:12 PM
#124
Burning Brakes
Far from paranoid, our government is all about taking a bit here a bit there all the time. It's how they accumulate a little more power and a little more power and a little more power.
You can say I'm paranoid, but if you don't believe they (the government) are slowly eroding our rights bit by bit then the word I have for you is imbecile.
You can say I'm paranoid, but if you don't believe they (the government) are slowly eroding our rights bit by bit then the word I have for you is imbecile.
10-04-2010, 09:27 PM
#125
Race Director
10-04-2010, 09:36 PM
#126
Le Mans Master
Far from paranoid, our government is all about taking a bit here a bit there all the time. It's how they accumulate a little more power and a little more power and a little more power.
You can say I'm paranoid, but if you don't believe they (the government) are slowly eroding our rights bit by bit then the word I have for you is imbecile.
You can say I'm paranoid, but if you don't believe they (the government) are slowly eroding our rights bit by bit then the word I have for you is imbecile.
10-04-2010, 09:39 PM
#127
Le Mans Master
10-04-2010, 09:40 PM
#128
Race Director
The problem isn't the black box. It's this
Never ever try to pay off the cop. What starts out as a minor traffic violation will end with you in jail. Remember most agencies now have the dash cam which pretty much precludes bad behavior on all participants part.
Everyone gets stopped occasionally. I generally get stopped once a year. I have been lucky and only recently received one citation in the past 30 plus years from a State Trooper. (Which I was fortunate to beat in court.
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When I was a cop we were told that the average motorist will violate over a hundred traffic laws per week. I seldom wrote citations because of my job, but it is easy to find violators.
After I have been stopped I try to evaluate my driving habits to not get stopped again, usually works for a while.
Everyone gets stopped occasionally. I generally get stopped once a year. I have been lucky and only recently received one citation in the past 30 plus years from a State Trooper. (Which I was fortunate to beat in court.
)When I was a cop we were told that the average motorist will violate over a hundred traffic laws per week. I seldom wrote citations because of my job, but it is easy to find violators.
After I have been stopped I try to evaluate my driving habits to not get stopped again, usually works for a while.
10-04-2010, 09:42 PM
#129
Le Mans Master
10-04-2010, 09:52 PM
#130
Le Mans Master
Corporate America only takes/does what the judiciary says is legal to do.
The problem isn't the black box. It's this
If every one of the petty-*** do-good laws were enforced we'd all be broke and/or in jail. So I don't need a machine watching me to log every mistake that I make.
The problem isn't the black box. It's this
If every one of the petty-*** do-good laws were enforced we'd all be broke and/or in jail. So I don't need a machine watching me to log every mistake that I make.
10-04-2010, 09:54 PM
#131
Race Director
10-04-2010, 10:07 PM
#132
Le Mans Master
Because EDRs are not currently required by law, usage of the device varies widely from manufacturer to manufacturer. General Motors and Ford implement the technology on most of their recent models, while Mercedes-Benz and Audi do not use EDRs at all. As of 2003, there were at least 40 million vehicles equipped with the devices.
10-04-2010, 10:14 PM
#133
Race Director
Does the fact that it is still more likely to be used against you rather than for your benefit a concern to you?
10-04-2010, 10:21 PM
#134
Le Mans Master
I can see situations where this data could be beneficial and I can see situations where it could be liability. Of course, I do not want to see traffic tickets issued from a monthly review of the data.
10-04-2010, 10:21 PM
#135
Burning Brakes
Actually I can and did get my job without giving any info to the company. It was the Federal and State governments that required all my private info. My company didn't even ask any questions when I informed them they were buying my new Corvette. Guess I'm smarter than you think.
As for medical treatment it can't be too hard, every illegal immigrant in this country can get it without having to tell them anything!!
10-04-2010, 10:29 PM
#136
Le Mans Master
Actually there are rules that corporate America has to abide by concerning privacy issues. Should they exceed there mandate I have legal remedy, I have none against the Government.
Actually I can and did get my job without giving any info to the company. It was the Federal and State governments that required all my private info. My company didn't even ask any questions when I informed them they were buying my new Corvette. Guess I'm smarter than you think.
As for medical treatment it can't be too hard, every illegal immigrant in this country can get it without having to tell them anything!!
Actually I can and did get my job without giving any info to the company. It was the Federal and State governments that required all my private info. My company didn't even ask any questions when I informed them they were buying my new Corvette. Guess I'm smarter than you think.
As for medical treatment it can't be too hard, every illegal immigrant in this country can get it without having to tell them anything!!
So you have a family business. You didn't have to give them your Social Security number? I don't believe it.
Good point but when did you last go to a hospital and not have to give them a large amount of private info?
