View Poll Results: Are you FOR or AGAINST having a "black box" in your C6?
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The Black Box
10-02-2010, 03:59 PM
#41
Drifting
SCoach,
Given the world we live, if you're driving a Corvette you are already an arrogant, dishonest, creep so you were probably doing something wrong to begin with. Do I really believ that? Yes.
Give it a rest. The attorney's job is to transfer wealth from you to him. And the greater the need for defense, the greater the transfer.
In that case, being a public figure you're double suspect. You may not know who the late Robert Novak was but he was a well known journalist. Here's part of a big issue in which he was publicly pilloried a few years ago. You can search for more but the fact he was a (damned) CORVETTE driver and being one of those creepy public figures made him easy meat for the vultures. Good luck.
"Robert Novak is driving a black corvette on K Street. He hits a pedestrian crossing the street in a crosswalk with a "walk" sign. And then he speeds away...until a vigilante cyclist, who also happens to be a partner at lobbying/law firm Harkins Cunningham, uses his bike to block Novak from evading the police!"
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...ciopath/49444/
And so the recording technology that can ABSOLUTELY refute that you were doing unlawful speeds and operating in a safe manner is at your disposal, and you rather put your fortune in a "my word against theirs"? If the black box records you doing 75mph on the highway and not 175mph, wouldn't you WANT that information to be present? I sure do.
If you are afraid the information recorded will not present your case well, then hire a good attorney. That is their job. Accident reconstruction is a pretty good science these days. Anything I can get in my favor, especially, objectively recorded data that supports my statements is something I view as a positive.
No, I don't necessarily want my every move recorded. But that is being done anyway. I live a public life, working for a public agency. I act in the abundance of caution and am usually traveling at below posted speeds. Especially in town. I absolutely LOVE cruising past LEOs going 3mph under the posted speed with cars passing me. I look like the ultra-responsible sports car owner that they need not worry about. It's taken me 25 years of driving to attain this status, and I intend to do everything in my power to keep it.
"Robert Novak is driving a black corvette on K Street. He hits a pedestrian crossing the street in a crosswalk with a "walk" sign. And then he speeds away...until a vigilante cyclist, who also happens to be a partner at lobbying/law firm Harkins Cunningham, uses his bike to block Novak from evading the police!"
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...ciopath/49444/
10-02-2010, 05:36 PM
#42
Melting Slicks
Thread Starter
It is the BIGGER PICTURE. If you like having everything monitored, then you are OK with the government plan to limit the amount of electricity you use at home?
Maybe you like the European system? When I was in Europe in the 80's, they limited the amount of fuel you can buy for your car. Want to take a cruise for fun? Not going to happen. You got an allotted amount of fuel per month, no matter what.
10-02-2010, 05:39 PM
#43
Melting Slicks
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10-02-2010, 07:31 PM
#44
Burning Brakes
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10-02-2010, 07:38 PM
#45
Burning Brakes
Amen Brother!! It won't we much longer before they are using this type of technology to just mail us a speeding ticket. No cameras, no officer witnessing anything, just downloading you info from your car every night and then mailing you the tax bill!!!
10-02-2010, 07:47 PM
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Team Owner
10-02-2010, 09:41 PM
#48
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I can make you an aluminum foil hat to keep the "govment" from readin' your brainwaves
I'm 100% for this!
A couple of years ago in Plano, there was a multiple fatality accident caused by a guy at 10 in the morning on a Sunday. He was "running late" to get to his ex wifes house to pick up his kid.
When he t-boned the minivan, killing everyone onboard, spun around hitting several other cars who had just left church, he survived.
When Plano PD pulled and "read" the box (it wasn't a Corvette), it show that he was doing over 100 MPH (from memory).
They used the data from the telemetry to convict him. They built an accurate depiction of the accident for the jury and was able to show his speed upon impact.
My feeling is that if you choose to drive recklessly, have an accident and hurt and/or kill someone, that's your problem. You should pay for it.
I'm 100% for this!
A couple of years ago in Plano, there was a multiple fatality accident caused by a guy at 10 in the morning on a Sunday. He was "running late" to get to his ex wifes house to pick up his kid.
When he t-boned the minivan, killing everyone onboard, spun around hitting several other cars who had just left church, he survived.
When Plano PD pulled and "read" the box (it wasn't a Corvette), it show that he was doing over 100 MPH (from memory).
They used the data from the telemetry to convict him. They built an accurate depiction of the accident for the jury and was able to show his speed upon impact.
My feeling is that if you choose to drive recklessly, have an accident and hurt and/or kill someone, that's your problem. You should pay for it.
10-02-2010, 09:45 PM
#49
Drifting
You, are a truly sad case and waste a of any useful information. 
It must be a be a Canadian thing? While I'm out having a fantastic drive through the mountians in the Vette. You set here on this forum all day long. Come on, get your **** out of here and go have some fun!!!
Hey, nothing personal. You are still kind of a OK guy.
It must be a be a Canadian thing? While I'm out having a fantastic drive through the mountians in the Vette. You set here on this forum all day long. Come on, get your **** out of here and go have some fun!!!
Hey, nothing personal. You are still kind of a OK guy.
10-02-2010, 09:51 PM
#50
Le Mans Master
I can make you an aluminum foil hat to keep the "govment" from readin' your brainwaves
I'm 100% for this!
A couple of years ago in Plano, there was a multiple fatality accident caused by a guy at 10 in the morning on a Sunday. He was "running late" to get to his ex wifes house to pick up his kid.
When he t-boned the minivan, killing everyone onboard, spun around hitting several other cars who had just left church, he survived.
When Plano PD pulled and "read" the box (it wasn't a Corvette), it show that he was doing over 100 MPH (from memory).
They used the data from the telemetry to convict him. They built an accurate depiction of the accident for the jury and was able to show his speed upon impact.
My feeling is that if you choose to drive recklessly, have an accident and hurt and/or kill someone, that's your problem. You should pay for it.
I'm 100% for this!
A couple of years ago in Plano, there was a multiple fatality accident caused by a guy at 10 in the morning on a Sunday. He was "running late" to get to his ex wifes house to pick up his kid.
When he t-boned the minivan, killing everyone onboard, spun around hitting several other cars who had just left church, he survived.
When Plano PD pulled and "read" the box (it wasn't a Corvette), it show that he was doing over 100 MPH (from memory).
They used the data from the telemetry to convict him. They built an accurate depiction of the accident for the jury and was able to show his speed upon impact.
My feeling is that if you choose to drive recklessly, have an accident and hurt and/or kill someone, that's your problem. You should pay for it.
10-02-2010, 09:52 PM
#51
Melting Slicks
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No freaking way do I want a black box in my car. I already know how to corrupt the data.
There is no way it can be guaranteed that the data from these devices will be used in an impartial manor that applies to all motorists. Remember the governor of NJ who’s SUV crashed and it took weeks to determine that they were going about 90 mph? They seemed to have problem acquiring the data from that black box. Go figure.
BUT I drive in a responsible way – Just like everyone else here with 300 – 400 -500+ horse power cars that never break the speed limit.
There is no way it can be guaranteed that the data from these devices will be used in an impartial manor that applies to all motorists. Remember the governor of NJ who’s SUV crashed and it took weeks to determine that they were going about 90 mph? They seemed to have problem acquiring the data from that black box. Go figure.
BUT I drive in a responsible way – Just like everyone else here with 300 – 400 -500+ horse power cars that never break the speed limit.
10-02-2010, 10:09 PM
#52
Team Owner
You, are a truly sad case and waste a of any useful information.
It must be a be a Canadian thing? While I'm out having a fantastic drive through the mountians in the Vette. You set here on this forum all day long. Come on, get your **** out of here and go have some fun!!!
Hey, nothing personal. You are still kind of a OK guy.
It must be a be a Canadian thing? While I'm out having a fantastic drive through the mountians in the Vette. You set here on this forum all day long. Come on, get your **** out of here and go have some fun!!!
Hey, nothing personal. You are still kind of a OK guy.
10-02-2010, 10:20 PM
#53
Melting Slicks
Thread Starter
You, are a truly sad case and waste a of any useful information.
It must be a be a Canadian thing? While I'm out having a fantastic drive through the mountians in the Vette. You set here on this forum all day long. Come on, get your **** out of here and go have some fun!!!
Hey, nothing personal. You are still kind of a OK guy.
It must be a be a Canadian thing? While I'm out having a fantastic drive through the mountians in the Vette. You set here on this forum all day long. Come on, get your **** out of here and go have some fun!!!
Hey, nothing personal. You are still kind of a OK guy.
It might be that since he lives in icy Canada, his cruising days are coming to an end, and he needs to vent. Putting away his C6 for the next 7 months is getting to him.
I would rather have him vent here on the forum than go home and kick his dog down the stairs or find some other destructive manner to release his frustrations.
Have you hugged Racer44 today? He sure needs it.
Last edited by LBear; 10-02-2010 at 10:22 PM.
10-02-2010, 10:32 PM
#54
Safety Car
I certainly don't agree with everything that President Obama has done while he's been in office, but this ^ is the stupidest comment I've read on here in quite a long time!
10-02-2010, 10:39 PM
#55
Drifting
warren,
Indeed.
There is no way it can be guaranteed that the data from these devices will be used in an impartial manor that applies to all motorists. Remember the governor of NJ who’s SUV crashed and it took weeks to determine that they were going about 90 mph? They seemed to have problem acquiring the data from that black box. Go figure.
10-02-2010, 10:44 PM
#56
Le Mans Master
As well as lacking any sense of humor.
10-03-2010, 12:53 AM
#57
Team Owner
He does the same thing to me. He actually stalks me and it is very creepy.
It might be that since he lives in icy Canada, his cruising days are coming to an end, and he needs to vent. Putting away his C6 for the next 7 months is getting to him.
I would rather have him vent here on the forum than go home and kick his dog down the stairs or find some other destructive manner to release his frustrations.
Have you hugged Racer44 today? He sure needs it.
It might be that since he lives in icy Canada, his cruising days are coming to an end, and he needs to vent. Putting away his C6 for the next 7 months is getting to him.
I would rather have him vent here on the forum than go home and kick his dog down the stairs or find some other destructive manner to release his frustrations.
Have you hugged Racer44 today? He sure needs it.
10-03-2010, 02:00 AM
#58
Melting Slicks
So, I'm just curious. All of those that are ambivalent about monitoring: Would you also not care (or even support) a black box device in your car that automatically notified appropriate authorities whenever an act that was deemed unlawful occurred? So, you drive 2 mph over the posted speed limit...an automatic traffic citation. You roll that stop on a deserted road...another automatic citation. You cross the double yellow on a service road to get around a garbage truck doing it's job...another citation. I may (or may not!) have done all of these acts since I got my Vette last week, all of them completely safe, in fact not only safe, but in every situation cited, the safety of not only myself, but other drivers and/or pedestrians was enhanced by the performance of what may or may not have been construed as an illegal act.
Technology exists today to monitor your every move in your car. Black box type of data can be immensely useful in the study of accidents and general vehicle usage to enhance the safety and reliability of our cars. But when this same data is used primarily for the purpose of determining guilt or innocence, I bet that it will hurt you many more times that it will help you.
Technology exists today to monitor your every move in your car. Black box type of data can be immensely useful in the study of accidents and general vehicle usage to enhance the safety and reliability of our cars. But when this same data is used primarily for the purpose of determining guilt or innocence, I bet that it will hurt you many more times that it will help you.
10-03-2010, 02:39 AM
#59
Le Mans Master
As most C5 & C6 owners know, there is a "BLACK BOX" inside our cars. It records the last few seconds prior to impact. It will record vehicle speed, % of brakes being applied, throttle position, RPM, etc.
In a serious accident, the black box info can be downloaded and then used against you in both criminal and civil charges.
With that being said. Are you FOR or AGAINST having a "black box" in your C6?
"Sheriff said they took the BLACK BOX from the corvette and down loaded the info. for the DA and the Vette was doing 157 MPHwhen he passed the St. Croix Co. cop prior to loosing control and when into a side way skid for 888 feet when he hit the tree. Otherwise the car would have gone thru the house and into the Apple River. Parts of the car were on the roof of the house and the driver is alive and in the hospital .The woman passenger nearly died but is now recovering."
In a serious accident, the black box info can be downloaded and then used against you in both criminal and civil charges.
With that being said. Are you FOR or AGAINST having a "black box" in your C6?
"Sheriff said they took the BLACK BOX from the corvette and down loaded the info. for the DA and the Vette was doing 157 MPHwhen he passed the St. Croix Co. cop prior to loosing control and when into a side way skid for 888 feet when he hit the tree. Otherwise the car would have gone thru the house and into the Apple River. Parts of the car were on the roof of the house and the driver is alive and in the hospital .The woman passenger nearly died but is now recovering."
10-03-2010, 03:15 AM
#60
Melting Slicks
Thread Starter
What would be the point of owning a Corvette if you couldn't do any WOT or fast runs without getting a ticket in the mail?
Where to draw the line? How much monitoring is OK? That will be the debate. How much freedom are we willing to lose?
