View Poll Results: How has your 'vette been?
My stock LS3 has had a valve/rocker arm or piston (etc) failure
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My stock LS7 has had a valve failure
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My stock LS7 has had a rocker-arm failure
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My stock LS7 has had a piston failure
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My non-stock LS7 has had a valve failure
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My non-stock LS7 has had a rocker-arm failure
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0%
My non-stock LS7 has had a piston failure
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0%
My magnetic shock(s) (F55 option) have failed
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0%
I have broken the rear-end or a half-shaft (not stock)
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Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 167. You may not vote on this poll
The Big FAIL(or not) Thread
07-21-2010, 11:45 PM
#22
Le Mans Master
Thread Starter
What did it get me? A black-hole that sucked money and broke nearly once a month on average for the 3 years I owned it.
What did I then do? I traded it on a car that got awesome forum reviews except for its motor-mounts. What has happened? The car has been flawless--after I replaced the torn motor mounts (Infiniti).
Yes, I am looking for flaws. However, I am coming to the conclusion that the LS3 powered 'vette is as good, or better than anything in its price-range regarding performance vs. durability.
Everything has problems--the GT500's grind gears, the 370Z's overheat, the GT-R's blow transmissions, etc. etc.
The C6 has relatively few issues from what I have seen. The 2011 transmission mods should fix the gear-grinding with the TR6060.
So far, since people here want REAL numbers, the PPh for the corvette is 71 (2009, when I looked at them in 2005, just ogling the car, they had a PPH of 100. Just looking at the car now I can tell its better made. THe body panels line up and there is no more trash in the paint). The ownership satisfaction (% of people who would "definitely buy it again) was 89%, compared to the only car that beat it, at 92% (A Prius for crying out loud. My former roommate's Xgf had a prius, and in my opinion they are nice cars--if you're a vegan.
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07-21-2010, 11:50 PM
#23
Get Some!
Just looking before I leap. I didn't look hard enough for issues on the last car I bought (2001 WS6) and it came back to bite me on the ****. I was a member of LS1tech for years before I bought the car, but I never went to the "general" section, nor did I pay attention to the nay-sayers and they were quickly shouted down by the F-body faithful.
What did it get me? A black-hole that sucked money and broke nearly once a month on average for the 3 years I owned it.
What did I then do? I traded it on a car that got awesome forum reviews except for its motor-mounts. What has happened? The car has been flawless--after I replaced the torn motor mounts (Infiniti).
Yes, I am looking for flaws. However, I am coming to the conclusion that the LS3 powered 'vette is as good, or better than anything in its price-range regarding performance vs. durability.
Everything has problems--the GT500's grind gears, the 370Z's overheat, the GT-R's blow transmissions, etc. etc.
The C6 has relatively few issues from what I have seen. The 2011 transmission mods should fix the gear-grinding with the TR6060.
So far, since people here want REAL numbers, the PPh for the corvette is 71 (2009, when I looked at them in 2005, just ogling the car, they had a PPH of 100. Just looking at the car now I can tell its better made. THe body panels line up and there is no more trash in the paint). The ownership satisfaction (% of people who would "definitely buy it again) was 89%, compared to the only car that beat it, at 92% (A Prius for crying out loud. My former roommate's Xgf had a prius, and in my opinion they are nice cars--if you're a vegan. )
What did it get me? A black-hole that sucked money and broke nearly once a month on average for the 3 years I owned it.
What did I then do? I traded it on a car that got awesome forum reviews except for its motor-mounts. What has happened? The car has been flawless--after I replaced the torn motor mounts (Infiniti).
Yes, I am looking for flaws. However, I am coming to the conclusion that the LS3 powered 'vette is as good, or better than anything in its price-range regarding performance vs. durability.
Everything has problems--the GT500's grind gears, the 370Z's overheat, the GT-R's blow transmissions, etc. etc.
The C6 has relatively few issues from what I have seen. The 2011 transmission mods should fix the gear-grinding with the TR6060.
So far, since people here want REAL numbers, the PPh for the corvette is 71 (2009, when I looked at them in 2005, just ogling the car, they had a PPH of 100. Just looking at the car now I can tell its better made. THe body panels line up and there is no more trash in the paint). The ownership satisfaction (% of people who would "definitely buy it again) was 89%, compared to the only car that beat it, at 92% (A Prius for crying out loud. My former roommate's Xgf had a prius, and in my opinion they are nice cars--if you're a vegan.
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07-21-2010, 11:50 PM
#24
Le Mans Master
Thread Starter
Won't have the cash to buy until Jan/Feb 2011. Might as well research it in the mean time.
07-22-2010, 12:05 AM
#25
Melting Slicks
Just looking before I leap. I didn't look hard enough for issues on the last car I bought (2001 WS6) and it came back to bite me on the ****. I was a member of LS1tech for years before I bought the car, but I never went to the "general" section, nor did I pay attention to the nay-sayers and they were quickly shouted down by the F-body faithful.
What did it get me? A black-hole that sucked money and broke nearly once a month on average for the 3 years I owned it.
What did I then do? I traded it on a car that got awesome forum reviews except for its motor-mounts. What has happened? The car has been flawless--after I replaced the torn motor mounts (Infiniti).
Yes, I am looking for flaws. However, I am coming to the conclusion that the LS3 powered 'vette is as good, or better than anything in its price-range regarding performance vs. durability.
Everything has problems--the GT500's grind gears, the 370Z's overheat, the GT-R's blow transmissions, etc. etc.
The C6 has relatively few issues from what I have seen. The 2011 transmission mods should fix the gear-grinding with the TR6060.
So far, since people here want REAL numbers, the PPh for the corvette is 71 (2009, when I looked at them in 2005, just ogling the car, they had a PPH of 100. Just looking at the car now I can tell its better made. THe body panels line up and there is no more trash in the paint). The ownership satisfaction (% of people who would "definitely buy it again) was 89%, compared to the only car that beat it, at 92% (A Prius for crying out loud. My former roommate's Xgf had a prius, and in my opinion they are nice cars--if you're a vegan. )
What did it get me? A black-hole that sucked money and broke nearly once a month on average for the 3 years I owned it.
What did I then do? I traded it on a car that got awesome forum reviews except for its motor-mounts. What has happened? The car has been flawless--after I replaced the torn motor mounts (Infiniti).
Yes, I am looking for flaws. However, I am coming to the conclusion that the LS3 powered 'vette is as good, or better than anything in its price-range regarding performance vs. durability.
Everything has problems--the GT500's grind gears, the 370Z's overheat, the GT-R's blow transmissions, etc. etc.
The C6 has relatively few issues from what I have seen. The 2011 transmission mods should fix the gear-grinding with the TR6060.
So far, since people here want REAL numbers, the PPh for the corvette is 71 (2009, when I looked at them in 2005, just ogling the car, they had a PPH of 100. Just looking at the car now I can tell its better made. THe body panels line up and there is no more trash in the paint). The ownership satisfaction (% of people who would "definitely buy it again) was 89%, compared to the only car that beat it, at 92% (A Prius for crying out loud. My former roommate's Xgf had a prius, and in my opinion they are nice cars--if you're a vegan.
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07-22-2010, 12:09 AM
#26
Le Mans Master
Thread Starter
LS3 appears issue free and the extra 40-50whp is nice. TR6060 is getting a fix for 2011. Buy new. Not someone else's problem.
07-22-2010, 12:15 AM
#27
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I don't see anything skewed or biased about the poll or the way the questions are worded.
Sure, the sample will be a bit small. When someone else comes up with a better poll, then we'll use it. Until then, this one will be interesting.
Consumer reports does a good job of collecting reliability data, but their categories are so broad that often it's tough to figure out what the problems actually are.
Sure, the sample will be a bit small. When someone else comes up with a better poll, then we'll use it. Until then, this one will be interesting.
Consumer reports does a good job of collecting reliability data, but their categories are so broad that often it's tough to figure out what the problems actually are.
07-22-2010, 12:43 AM
#28
Race Director
I bought used, saved 30k versus buying new, and it hasn't been to the dealer once
07-22-2010, 12:51 AM
#29
Le Mans Master
Thread Starter
I would just rather buy new. Bought used every time before and dreamed of the day I could buy a car that someone didn't get rid of for one reason or another. Once I buy this, I will probably revert back to buying used again in the future, but would like a new car for once.
07-22-2010, 01:22 AM
#30
Race Director
I got the new car bug out of me, don't think I'll be buying new ever again.
07-22-2010, 09:21 AM
#31
Le Mans Master
Thread Starter
I did the same thing you're about to do. My first 2 *new* cars were 2005 GTO and 2007 Corvette Z51....(I owned the GTO for 1.5 years, the vette 2.5 years). It was nice having new......no scratches, new car smell etc. But cars that are driven get little nicks here and there....no matter how well I would care for the car I'd get a stone hit on the highway or find a scratch somehow. I was paranoid to keep the cars "new" but in the end trading them in or selling them...they were still "used" cars to everyone else.
I got the new car bug out of me, don't think I'll be buying new ever again.
I got the new car bug out of me, don't think I'll be buying new ever again.
Bottom line? I used to sell cars and know exactly what kind of "value" loss I will get, but I consider that the price of admission. I don't need a new car, but then, I don't need a $55K car either. I'm no-longer living a lifestyle where I base everything on need. It's nice.
Besides, when there is a ding, I will know where it came from. Also, I will probably sell it to a friend instead of trade it back in. I know lots of people who buy 'vettes who will be up for a "new" one by the time I am ready to trade in.
07-22-2010, 09:50 AM
#33
Race Director
I don't see anything skewed or biased about the poll or the way the questions are worded.
Sure, the sample will be a bit small. When someone else comes up with a better poll, then we'll use it. Until then, this one will be interesting.
Consumer reports does a good job of collecting reliability data, but their categories are so broad that often it's tough to figure out what the problems actually are.
Sure, the sample will be a bit small. When someone else comes up with a better poll, then we'll use it. Until then, this one will be interesting.
Consumer reports does a good job of collecting reliability data, but their categories are so broad that often it's tough to figure out what the problems actually are.
He then goes around saying the LS7 is not a good motor and the LS3 is better blah blah blah. As you mentioned, the sample will be very small. Therefore it's not accurate. He admitted himself the poll is flawed if you go back and read his eariler post in this thread. So what logic is there to base decisions off information that is flawed or not entirely accurate
If you just want to survey the forum like he is doing..hey it's all good... Get a feel for what is out there, that;s totally cool.but then don't go making assumptions and statements based off that small sample of people that are simply not true.
As of now this poll has about 79 responses, and over 440 views...that right there shows a good deal of people have not even take the poll...how many have vettes but choose not to participate?
10-30-2010, 06:58 PM
#35
Le Mans Master
Thread Starter
Well, the thread is serving its purpose. Downpayment being saved at a good rate.
Bank told me to talk to them around the end of Feb. Hoping to join the Z06 crowd shortly thereafter.
Bank told me to talk to them around the end of Feb. Hoping to join the Z06 crowd shortly thereafter.
10-30-2010, 07:20 PM
#36
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Well, even though my Vette has been in the shop for the last 85 days, I did enjoy driving the car for the first 35 days I owned it. I just can't remember how it drives any more. Can't wait to get it back.
10-30-2010, 07:56 PM
#37
Drifting
My 2009 Coupe is the 3rd Corvette I've owned. My first was a 1993 convertible that had lots of issues. Bought it used and didn't hold on to it long because of the problems. Bought a 2002 C5 Coupe to replace it. It was a great car and very reliable. Bought a 2009 C6 Couple to replace the C5. So far its been just as good a car and maybe even better. No problems with the engine, sway bars, or half shafts. I have minor noise issues with the roof panel. I didn't mark any of the manual transmission questions. The transmission is slightly "stiff" when its cold, but I wouldn't call it grinding. Overall I love the car and its performance.
Over all the years that I've owned Corvettes and been in Corvette clubs, the only real catastrophic failures that I've seen (other than my '93) are with cars that have been modified or are old enough that parts have worn out. I think GM builds the cars pretty darn strong in stock form.
- Mark
Over all the years that I've owned Corvettes and been in Corvette clubs, the only real catastrophic failures that I've seen (other than my '93) are with cars that have been modified or are old enough that parts have worn out. I think GM builds the cars pretty darn strong in stock form.
- Mark
10-31-2010, 01:39 AM
#38
Safety Car
I have no issues with people posting polls, I think it's a cool feature of the forum. My issues is this: He makes general statements and comments/assumptions that are just not true. I'll give you a perfect example: "LS7's as daily drivers like to drop valves" from his other thread. "
He then goes around saying the LS7 is not a good motor and the LS3 is better blah blah blah. As you mentioned, the sample will be very small. Therefore it's not accurate. He admitted himself the poll is flawed if you go back and read his eariler post in this thread. So what logic is there to base decisions off information that is flawed or not entirely accurate
If you just want to survey the forum like he is doing..hey it's all good... Get a feel for what is out there, that;s totally cool.but then don't go making assumptions and statements based off that small sample of people that are simply not true.
As of now this poll has about 79 responses, and over 440 views...that right there shows a good deal of people have not even take the poll...how many have vettes but choose not to participate?
He then goes around saying the LS7 is not a good motor and the LS3 is better blah blah blah. As you mentioned, the sample will be very small. Therefore it's not accurate. He admitted himself the poll is flawed if you go back and read his eariler post in this thread. So what logic is there to base decisions off information that is flawed or not entirely accurate
If you just want to survey the forum like he is doing..hey it's all good... Get a feel for what is out there, that;s totally cool.but then don't go making assumptions and statements based off that small sample of people that are simply not true.
As of now this poll has about 79 responses, and over 440 views...that right there shows a good deal of people have not even take the poll...how many have vettes but choose not to participate?
--CLIFF NOTES FOR THE ABOVE STATEMENT--
OP said something bad about my car and now I'm going to harass him.
10-31-2010, 01:47 PM
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Noone will ever be completely happy of course. Sometimes you say "something sucks" and someone says "noone on the forum says so, so it's wrong". Then you get a huge list of forum people with the issue and it's "Well those numbers are skewed", so until someone finds out what is in GM's service computer records, I challenge you to do better.
Or you could just say that my poll has flaws, which we all know it does. But then, you might as well go make fun of Ray Charles for being blind.
Or you could just say that my poll has flaws, which we all know it does. But then, you might as well go make fun of Ray Charles for being blind.
Group 1. No problems at all, or problems that were covered under warranty. There is not a car made that does not fall into this category regardless of price tag or where it was made.
Group 2. Problems because something was changed on the car and owners understand that is the risk when modifying the car. These owners don't just blame GM for the failure, they understand that they have some skin in that game.
Group 3. Problems with the car because something was changed and the owner does not want to accept the risks that go along with modding the car. They blame GM for all their problems and get all bent out of shape when GM refuses to pay for the trouble created.
You will never get an accurate summary because as stated already, this forum is a very small portion of total owners and probably the most vocal of all owners in existence.
