Get this, out of State - no. out of country ticket no tag
07-07-2010, 11:06 PM
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I was a police officer for 25 years and never issued a ticket for no front plate. People that say that you were speeding and should be thankful that is also bull that would be another cheap pinch. As far as the legality of the ticket it would depend how the law is written but it appears unfair to require one person to display the plate and another not to because their state does not have 2 plates. Lets try a simple an analogy Ma and many other states require a helmet while on a motorcycle. NH does not should the police in NH give operators from states that require them a ticket (I know it it is not a perfect analogy but it is late)
I guess in short it was a cheap pinch
I guess in short it was a cheap pinch
07-07-2010, 11:20 PM
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I heard GA will give an out-of-state car a ticket for having aftermarket tint on the windows even if it is within your state laws. It wouldn't surprise me about NY. He probably has a notebook on other plate laws. Why pull you over? Because he is probably looking for something more serious and you gave him a reason. 5 over would be pretty weak but I've seen it happen.
How did he write you up if your plate was displayed? Even the pop down ones are illegal in some states because they are too low to the ground. Utah is a two plate state but not enforced unless you park on the streets in downtown SLC.
As far as ignoring it, I wouldn't. States have a bad tendacy to turn things over to collection agencies (I know Oregon DOT will in a heartbeat). That'll screw up your credit. Who knows they might tag your name at the border or put you on a no-fly list just to make a point. I know that is stupid but I would not be surprised.
How far is Mohawk away from you? I would call their court and have them provide you the reference for out-of-state cars.
I always wonder if two plates was so important why don't they require it on motorcycles?
I also think they knew about Ontario because of that toll road around Toronto that uses plates to charge you a toll.
How did he write you up if your plate was displayed? Even the pop down ones are illegal in some states because they are too low to the ground. Utah is a two plate state but not enforced unless you park on the streets in downtown SLC.
As far as ignoring it, I wouldn't. States have a bad tendacy to turn things over to collection agencies (I know Oregon DOT will in a heartbeat). That'll screw up your credit. Who knows they might tag your name at the border or put you on a no-fly list just to make a point. I know that is stupid but I would not be surprised.
How far is Mohawk away from you? I would call their court and have them provide you the reference for out-of-state cars.
I always wonder if two plates was so important why don't they require it on motorcycles?
I also think they knew about Ontario because of that toll road around Toronto that uses plates to charge you a toll.
07-07-2010, 11:31 PM
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OP, sorry you got stuck on something so trivial. Not very neighborly.
My gripe on this is that a proper front tag mounting was not incorporated into the design of the car. The C6 is the only generation with this flaw. Every other generation has a proper front mounting incorporated, and they are generally more nicely integrated with the vehicle than you see on most other makes of cars.
My gripe on this is that a proper front tag mounting was not incorporated into the design of the car. The C6 is the only generation with this flaw. Every other generation has a proper front mounting incorporated, and they are generally more nicely integrated with the vehicle than you see on most other makes of cars.
07-07-2010, 11:35 PM
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The missing plate is the lesser of the two evils but it's still 
Just pay it and forget it. Keep us posted, let us know how the rest of the trip goes. Good Luck
Just pay it and forget it. Keep us posted, let us know how the rest of the trip goes. Good Luck
07-07-2010, 11:59 PM
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Someone had better call in the FEDS!! We now have NYS troopers enforcing Ontario Province DMV laws? Isn't like like AZ cops enforcing federal immigration laws which the FEDS are say you can't do? That's in our own country let along enforcing a foreign countries DMV laws. That's simply bazaar! Did Steven King write this thread?
This would NEVER hold up in court IMO.. how can it? I'm a CT state cop and there are hundreds of different DMV codes for every state! You CAN NOT legally enforce a TN DMV code/law in Connecticut! You simply do not have the authority as you are not duly authorized TN state LEO.
I would call the NYS prosecutor and explain the situation! I'll bet it gets dropped.
This would NEVER hold up in court IMO.. how can it? I'm a CT state cop and there are hundreds of different DMV codes for every state! You CAN NOT legally enforce a TN DMV code/law in Connecticut! You simply do not have the authority as you are not duly authorized TN state LEO.
I would call the NYS prosecutor and explain the situation! I'll bet it gets dropped.
07-08-2010, 12:01 AM
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You could return in a month or so and fight the charge but other than saying your license plate 'mounting bracket' had a malfunction and the plate simply blew down out of sight I'd say you're guilty as charged. The court might take mercy on you (for an equipment failure) but I wouldn't count on it. IMO if you even mention you have a "retractable" license plate the court is going to take a dim view of that. I'd just pay the fine and be done with it.
What a waste of $ pulling a guy over for this. I'm sure they could find something more productive to do with their time than pulling a guy over for no plate.....especially one of our Canadian neighbors.
OP-I'd get it taken care of....never know when you will be in NY again and this can come back to haunt you.
To the contrary...it's not a waste of money...it's a surefire money maker. Cops know an out-of-state driver will almost never contest the charge and return in a month or so to fight the charge in court. Most all out-of-towner's simply pay the fine.
It's pretty pinchy but so is most everything the government does to extort money from people.
What a waste of $ pulling a guy over for this. I'm sure they could find something more productive to do with their time than pulling a guy over for no plate.....especially one of our Canadian neighbors.
OP-I'd get it taken care of....never know when you will be in NY again and this can come back to haunt you.
It's pretty pinchy but so is most everything the government does to extort money from people.
07-08-2010, 01:55 AM
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Extradition, probably not! However, the US and Canada have an agreement where if you fail to pay a fine in the US, your Canadian license can be suspended and vice versa. Now, if you are in a front plate state and your car is required to have a front plate where registered, officers can write a ticket for it.
07-08-2010, 07:19 AM
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I''m guessing the trooper must have written the OP up in the town of German Flatts because the town offices and court are in Mohawk.
It's funny, I live in NY and I was coming back on the Thruway on Monday this week along with another Vette and neither of us were running front plates. We passed a Trooper sitting in the median near Utica, NY and he was eying us up pretty good as we went by - through for sure he was coming out to hit us up for no front plates (even saw his backup lights come on), but I guess he changed his mind.
I got nailed for no front plate a couple years ago (trooper gave me that instead of a speeding ticket, so I wasn't going to complain). I think it cost $125. It's a $50 fine, but then NY hits you with a $75 surcharge on any traffic violation. It's like an additional state tax on top of the fine which goes to the local jurisdiction.
-Ray
07-08-2010, 08:28 AM
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I got nailed for no front plate a couple years ago (trooper gave me that instead of a speeding ticket, so I wasn't going to complain). I think it cost $125. It's a $50 fine, but then NY hits you with a $75 surcharge on any traffic violation. It's like an additional state tax on top of the fine which goes to the local jurisdiction.
-Ray
-Ray
07-08-2010, 10:13 AM
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If you are on the southern part of I-95 and are driving a fairly nice car the Florida Highway Patrol, Georgia State Patrol, and other state agencies are hoping you are a drug dealer. That is a huge drug trafficking road from Florida to the northern states. If you have out of state plates you are a bigger target.
07-08-2010, 10:58 AM
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OK what are we saying here. That it is legal to enforse laws unique, not only to another state but to another country? So if, for example, you were female and caught committing adultry in NY and you came from Iran, you could be stoned to death in Mohalk NY?
I think you should take this all the way to the Supreme Court! Oh, you can't because you are not American. Or are you? Better hurry up if you are because Obama is packing the Court!
If you pay the fine I think you should demand they send the check back to Ontario. Good luck on that one.
I think you should take this all the way to the Supreme Court! Oh, you can't because you are not American. Or are you? Better hurry up if you are because Obama is packing the Court!
If you pay the fine I think you should demand they send the check back to Ontario. Good luck on that one.
07-08-2010, 11:10 AM
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I live in NY. However, I don't think you should pay. Cars registered in NY need a front plate. There are plenty of states that don't. If you're guilty then you're telling me it's illegal to drive through NY in a car from another state that doesn't require a front plate? I don't think so.
This. Let me pull up the NY traffic laws about displaying plates. I'm 99% sure that NY LEOs cannot run around citing out of state drivers for following the regulations (or not) of the states in which those vehicles are registered. Some states only provide 1 plate. It is tacitly unreasonable (and if you fight this in court you WILL win) to penalize motorists from those states.
He probably wrote you for VTL402 which reads
Originally Posted by VTL402
1. (a) No person shall operate, drive or park a motor vehicle on the public highways of this state unless such vehicle shall have a distinctive number assigned to it by the commissioner and a set of number plates issued by the commissioner with a number and other identification matter if any, corresponding to that of the certificate of registration conspicuously displayed, one on the front and one on the rear of such vehicle, each securely fastened so as to prevent the same from swinging and placed, whenever reasonably possible, not higher than forty-eight inches and not lower than twelve inches from the ground; provided, however, that in any registration year for which only one number plate is issued, such number plate shall constitute a set of number plates for the time in which such use is authorized, shall be displayed on the rear of the vehicle and none shall be displayed on its front, except in case of a tractor, when such number plate shall be displayed on the front of the vehicle and none shall be displayed on its rear.
The guy was being a douche. The only reason to have front plates, really, is so LEOs have a nice flat target to bounce LIDAR off of.
And a no front plate ticket can be up to 170 dollars USD (85 fine, 85 surcharge).
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07-08-2010, 11:17 AM
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If you are on the southern part of I-95 and are driving a fairly nice car the Florida Highway Patrol, Georgia State Patrol, and other state agencies are hoping you are a drug dealer. That is a huge drug trafficking road from Florida to the northern states. If you have out of state plates you are a bigger target.
I run a rental car up I95 and then out I10 west to the panhandle every 3-4 weeks @ 90+mph; never been stopped in 4 years. Of course my Escort 8500 X50 goes with me
07-08-2010, 11:44 AM
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I heard GA will give an out-of-state car a ticket for having aftermarket tint on the windows even if it is within your state laws. It wouldn't surprise me about NY. He probably has a notebook on other plate laws. Why pull you over? Because he is probably looking for something more serious and you gave him a reason. 5 over would be pretty weak but I've seen it happen.
How did he write you up if your plate was displayed? Even the pop down ones are illegal in some states because they are too low to the ground. Utah is a two plate state but not enforced unless you park on the streets in downtown SLC.
As far as ignoring it, I wouldn't. States have a bad tendacy to turn things over to collection agencies (I know Oregon DOT will in a heartbeat). That'll screw up your credit. Who knows they might tag your name at the border or put you on a no-fly list just to make a point. I know that is stupid but I would not be surprised.
How far is Mohawk away from you? I would call their court and have them provide you the reference for out-of-state cars.
I always wonder if two plates was so important why don't they require it on motorcycles?
I also think they knew about Ontario because of that toll road around Toronto that uses plates to charge you a toll.
How did he write you up if your plate was displayed? Even the pop down ones are illegal in some states because they are too low to the ground. Utah is a two plate state but not enforced unless you park on the streets in downtown SLC.
As far as ignoring it, I wouldn't. States have a bad tendacy to turn things over to collection agencies (I know Oregon DOT will in a heartbeat). That'll screw up your credit. Who knows they might tag your name at the border or put you on a no-fly list just to make a point. I know that is stupid but I would not be surprised.
How far is Mohawk away from you? I would call their court and have them provide you the reference for out-of-state cars.
I always wonder if two plates was so important why don't they require it on motorcycles?
I also think they knew about Ontario because of that toll road around Toronto that uses plates to charge you a toll.
07-08-2010, 04:28 PM
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If you are on the southern part of I-95 and are driving a fairly nice car the Florida Highway Patrol, Georgia State Patrol, and other state agencies are hoping you are a drug dealer. That is a huge drug trafficking road from Florida to the northern states. If you have out of state plates you are a bigger target.
07-08-2010, 04:50 PM
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If you are on the southern part of I-95 and are driving a fairly nice car the Florida Highway Patrol, Georgia State Patrol, and other state agencies are hoping you are a drug dealer. That is a huge drug trafficking road from Florida to the northern states. If you have out of state plates you are a bigger target.
07-08-2010, 07:37 PM
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What the cop did is illegal. He has no jurisdiction to collect fines for Canada. The idiot wrote the ticket up with NY VC, which cannot be used to enforce Canada law. A court, even a friendly one, would throw that out automatically. He is hoping you won't show up and he gets a freebie. You could probably sue him for harrassment, since he clearly had no legal basis upon which to issue the citation. Technically, it is extortion.
07-09-2010, 12:11 AM
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It does sound like NY is broke as there seems to be a lot of bogus tickets from that state on this forum. NY needs to worry about other more important things IMO such as terrorists trying to blow up NYC and then getting on an airplane.