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Old 10-09-2009, 10:19 PM   #1
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Default GS LS3 under rated?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQkjzw4SyBc

Have a look at the video. Are they under rating the hand built LS3 engines? Didn't Chevy under rate the C5 Z06 by about 20 HP?
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Old 10-09-2009, 10:24 PM   #2
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Yea, I heard the dry sump adds 20-30HP.
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Old 10-09-2009, 10:40 PM   #3
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Can't under rate with SAE cert.
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Old 10-09-2009, 10:47 PM   #4
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hmm ever heard of a factory freak?
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Old 10-09-2009, 10:47 PM   #5
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQkjzw4SyBc

Have a look at the video. Are they under rating the hand built LS3 engines? Didn't Chevy under rate the C5 Z06 by about 20 HP?
Can someone please explain to me how the results shown in that video are interpreted?
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Old 10-09-2009, 10:52 PM   #6
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you can make a dyno read whatever you want. some read higher some read lower no matter if it is a dynojet or mustang dyno or whatever. i dont see that being the normal ratings we will see on the GS
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Old 10-09-2009, 11:01 PM   #7
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Can someone please explain to me how the results shown in that video are interpreted?

It's a simple graph. Horsepower at the rear wheels is shown at different RPM's. X being the RPM and Y being horsepower. The max horsepower is shown at the top of the graph @ 394.XX.

Several LS3's have dynoed in the low 390's at the wheels.
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Old 10-09-2009, 11:30 PM   #8
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Isn't a higher claimed HP over rating?
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Old 10-09-2009, 11:35 PM   #9
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Here we go again, the factory freaks and the under rated motors. Give it a rest.
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Old 10-09-2009, 11:55 PM   #10
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Katech will tell you that EVERY LS-7 they tested on their engine dyno was within a couple of HP of each other. I would expect the same with the Wixom-built LS-3s.
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Old 10-10-2009, 12:02 AM   #11
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aww... come on... that motor was built early tuesday morning by 4 little old ladies who had just the right amount of coffee, had just finished going potty..and were fired up to do their best...........

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Old 10-10-2009, 12:06 AM   #12
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Have a look at the video. Are they under rating the hand built LS3 engines? Didn't Chevy under rate the C5 Z06 by about 20 HP?
No and No. And there is currently a lot of excitement (read hype) about the Grand Sport, amongst the hype is that it is "underrated" power wise.

It is right in line with the rest of the LS3 equipped C6 Vettes if one wishes to compare chassis dynographs.

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you can make a dyno read whatever you want. some read higher some read lower no matter if it is a dynojet or mustang dyno or whatever. i dont see that being the normal ratings we will see on the GS
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-z...post1559820772

I think your dyno above shows 394.27 peak rear wheel horsepower.

Hopefully the following will put to rest, some of the myth about the "hand built" "Dry Sump equipped" LS3s for the Grand Sports being "underrated" and more powerful than the other LS3 engines.

There is no indication that the LS3 engine in the Grand Sport is any more powerful than the LS3 engines in any other LS3 equipped C6.

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-t...6-exhaust.html 400.7 Dynojet

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-t...tock-dyno.html 398.94

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-t...tuned-ls3.html 398.64 Dynojet.

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-t...baselined.html 398 Dynojet

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-t...line-dyno.html 395.3 Dynojet.

http://www.dragtimes.com/Chevrolet-C...lip-12828.html 394.40 Dynojet

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-t...o-numbers.html 393.34 Dynojet

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/1562863277-post21.html 392.04 Dynojet

http://www.dragtimes.com/blog/2008-c...3-dyno-results 389.5 Dynojet.

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-t...tock-dyno.html 389.33 Dynojet

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-z...-vs-stock.html 386.94 Dynojet.

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/1562868642-post41.html 396 on a Mustang Dyno

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-t...o-results.html 412hp on a Dyno Dynamics Dyno

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Old 10-10-2009, 12:18 AM   #13
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hmm ever heard of a factory freak?
If by factory freak you mean +- 2% then yes if not then no, not for sae certified cars.
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Old 10-10-2009, 12:19 AM   #14
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with QuickSilver

That's nothing out of the ordinary to dyno 394rwhp on a dynojet with an M6 LS3. Heck, my A6 LS3 put down 377/367 on a dynojet.
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So do only the manual GS's w/dry sump get the hotter cam? Automatic GS's don't have a dry sump and I would guess get the "weaker" cam with all the other 2008-2010 LS3's

Boy I thought LS2 guys had it bad when the LS3 was introduced.....but now you have "cammed" LS3 GS's (only in manual cars w/dry sump option) from factory.

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Old 10-10-2009, 01:20 AM   #16
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So do only the manual GS's w/dry sump get the hotter cam? Automatic GS's don't have a dry sump and I would guess get the "weaker" cam with all the other 2008-2010 LS3's

Boy I thought LS2 guys had it bad when the LS3 was introduced.....but now you have "cammed" LS3 GS's (only in manual cars w/dry sump option) from factory.

Often times when something new comes out, there will be a lot of exaggeration and hype surrounding it, due to it being "new".

What we are seeing here with the Grand Sport, is no different.

Already we have heard tales of "hotter cams", dry sumps adding 20-30 horsepower, "cold air intakes/vent in the front fascia" adding horsepower, "being hand built" adding horsepower, lots of myths. All rooted in natural excitement and resulting hype.

But really nothing indicating that the car makes any more power than any other LS3 based Vette.
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Where is the "hotter cam" talk coming from? Was there a press release or something?
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Where is the "hotter cam" talk coming from? Was there a press release or something?
He was joking. Hopefully.
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Where is the "hotter cam" talk coming from? Was there a press release or something?
The hotter cam claim is from the same idiots that are claiming 30HP from a dry sump,better acceleration from different gears, and "more" HP from a "factory" CAI and "hand assembly". NONE of these give more HP except in the posters minds. The cam, gears,and factory CAI don't exist and the "hand assembled" only means that one person assembled the motor instead of a number of people on an assembly line. There are no special balanced or "picked" parts for the Wixom LS#'s.
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