Tom Wallace Says No More Horsepower
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Tom Wallace Says No More Horsepower
Just read a Tom Wallace (GM) interview in one of the rags yesterday, where he describes that the future of the Corvette is not going to be adding any more additional horsepower, in the coming years. Rather, they will be concentrating on refining the Corvette in other areas (fuel economy, interior, etc.). I'm trying to remember which magazine as I had a few. Anyone else read a similiar article, if not the same?
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" DETROIT — The Chevrolet Corvette will live on despite tougher fuel economy rules. But the redesigned car, expected in about 2012, could be lighter and smaller than today's Corvette.
And the V-8 that powers the Corvette of the future may be smaller than the one used today.
"I don't think we're going to design a 700-hp Corvette," Tom Wallace, vehicle line executive for the Corvette, said here at the auto show.
"What's going to be more important is fuel economy, carbon footprint and green. We have already paid a lot of attention to those areas. Where we can pay more attention is pounds per horsepower."
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"Wallace said he envisions a Corvette that is "more fuel efficient ... even nimbler than it was before. But he said no decision has been made about horsepower or engine size.
The 2009 ZR1 will have a top speed over 200 mph.
Rather than trying to top those performance numbers, Wallace said: "I think we need to say, 'We reached performance levels that are pretty good. Let's maintain those and improve fuel economy.' "
<http://forums.motortrend.com/70/6544446/the-general-forum/corvette-has-a-future-but-maybe-a-lighter-greener/index.html>
Also,
<http://www.corvetteblogger.com/index.cfm/2008/1/22/Lighter-Greener-Corvette-on-the-Horizon>
And the V-8 that powers the Corvette of the future may be smaller than the one used today.
"I don't think we're going to design a 700-hp Corvette," Tom Wallace, vehicle line executive for the Corvette, said here at the auto show.
"What's going to be more important is fuel economy, carbon footprint and green. We have already paid a lot of attention to those areas. Where we can pay more attention is pounds per horsepower."
...
"Wallace said he envisions a Corvette that is "more fuel efficient ... even nimbler than it was before. But he said no decision has been made about horsepower or engine size.
The 2009 ZR1 will have a top speed over 200 mph.
Rather than trying to top those performance numbers, Wallace said: "I think we need to say, 'We reached performance levels that are pretty good. Let's maintain those and improve fuel economy.' "
<http://forums.motortrend.com/70/6544446/the-general-forum/corvette-has-a-future-but-maybe-a-lighter-greener/index.html>
Also,
<http://www.corvetteblogger.com/index.cfm/2008/1/22/Lighter-Greener-Corvette-on-the-Horizon>
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I expect it all to be true except for one thing. Making it much lighter is going to be very difficult. 100 - 200 pounds would be doing good. The reason is that they are not likely to reduce power or get rid of a V8. 400 horsepower still takes some beefy components to handle the power.
Second is that they are not going to be able to eliminate luxury features that most buyers (myself included) want. In fact, to try to keep sales up, they may actually have to add some features.
Personally, if they can hold the weight or reduce it 100 lbs, add some features like a top end surround sound stereo, cooled seats, and maybe a few other features, and maybe tweak the handling to be a little more world class (read the current Car & Driver), AND keep the power to weight were it is today I'll be happy. I'm the first to admit that making it faster without resorting to all wheel drive is going to be difficult anyway.
Second is that they are not going to be able to eliminate luxury features that most buyers (myself included) want. In fact, to try to keep sales up, they may actually have to add some features.
Personally, if they can hold the weight or reduce it 100 lbs, add some features like a top end surround sound stereo, cooled seats, and maybe a few other features, and maybe tweak the handling to be a little more world class (read the current Car & Driver), AND keep the power to weight were it is today I'll be happy. I'm the first to admit that making it faster without resorting to all wheel drive is going to be difficult anyway.
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They could make it smaller for sure with the same power. I agree alot with keeping the hp at the current amount. Alot of 700-800hp cars really aren't that streetable and not many people need it.
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Still trying to find the magazine (wasn't Motortrend, R & T, etc.) and doesn't really matter anyway. He has basicly said the same thing in a few articles now.
Fixed.
Fixed.
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I figured they would not add more power. They are focusing on fuel economy now. That doesn't mean we can't have a Vette we all want and expect. It just means they are going to change their thinking process for the C7.
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Call me a wuss, but I was surprised/disappointed when they came out with the LS3.
I felt that my 345hp C5 was fast enough for a car, and if for some reason it wasn't then the 405hp C5 Z06 was. When the C6 came out with 400hp, I thought it was overkill. Then when the LS3 came out...
I had always hoped that chevy would have capped it at 400hp or so and then tried to hold the line while increasing mpg. The LS3 is just another high power engine, but a 400hp V8 that got 25 mpg around town would really impress me AND set a new standard amongst car manufacturers. That was my thought, at least.
But when it came time to shop for a C6 I really wanted the LS3 and ended up placing an order for an 09, go figure! Never said I was consistent...
I felt that my 345hp C5 was fast enough for a car, and if for some reason it wasn't then the 405hp C5 Z06 was. When the C6 came out with 400hp, I thought it was overkill. Then when the LS3 came out...
I had always hoped that chevy would have capped it at 400hp or so and then tried to hold the line while increasing mpg. The LS3 is just another high power engine, but a 400hp V8 that got 25 mpg around town would really impress me AND set a new standard amongst car manufacturers. That was my thought, at least.
But when it came time to shop for a C6 I really wanted the LS3 and ended up placing an order for an 09, go figure! Never said I was consistent...
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None of this is much of a revelation. If anything, the US is behind the curve in changing our automobiles to match what is really needed in today's world.
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" DETROIT — The Chevrolet Corvette will live on despite tougher fuel economy rules. But the redesigned car, expected in about 2012, could be lighter and smaller than today's Corvette.
And the V-8 that powers the Corvette of the future may be smaller than the one used today.
"I don't think we're going to design a 700-hp Corvette," Tom Wallace, vehicle line executive for the Corvette, said here at the auto show.
"What's going to be more important is fuel economy, carbon footprint and green. We have already paid a lot of attention to those areas. Where we can pay more attention is pounds per horsepower."
...
"Wallace said he envisions a Corvette that is "more fuel efficient ... even nimbler than it was before. But he said no decision has been made about horsepower or engine size.
The 2009 ZR1 will have a top speed over 200 mph.
Rather than trying to top those performance numbers, Wallace said: "I think we need to say, 'We reached performance levels that are pretty good. Let's maintain those and improve fuel economy.' "
<http://forums.motortrend.com/70/6544446/the-general-forum/corvette-has-a-future-but-maybe-a-lighter-greener/index.html>
Also,
<http://www.corvetteblogger.com/index.cfm/2008/1/22/Lighter-Greener-Corvette-on-the-Horizon>
And the V-8 that powers the Corvette of the future may be smaller than the one used today.
"I don't think we're going to design a 700-hp Corvette," Tom Wallace, vehicle line executive for the Corvette, said here at the auto show.
"What's going to be more important is fuel economy, carbon footprint and green. We have already paid a lot of attention to those areas. Where we can pay more attention is pounds per horsepower."
...
"Wallace said he envisions a Corvette that is "more fuel efficient ... even nimbler than it was before. But he said no decision has been made about horsepower or engine size.
The 2009 ZR1 will have a top speed over 200 mph.
Rather than trying to top those performance numbers, Wallace said: "I think we need to say, 'We reached performance levels that are pretty good. Let's maintain those and improve fuel economy.' "
<http://forums.motortrend.com/70/6544446/the-general-forum/corvette-has-a-future-but-maybe-a-lighter-greener/index.html>
Also,
<http://www.corvetteblogger.com/index.cfm/2008/1/22/Lighter-Greener-Corvette-on-the-Horizon>
They need to get their act together
Could be lighter and smaller???? May have a smaller engine?????
Sounds like he doesn't know any more about the next Corvette than we know. I would hope the C7 is at least in early development by this time. If not, it will be a 2013 model year or later.
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It may be very tough to lower the weight of the C6. It already has a 425 payload limit. If the frame is lightened it would require stronger, lighter materials like carbon fiber, titanium(very improbable) or aluminum. I can only imagine the cost And if they go with the cheaper of the three like the Z06's aluminum frame, we might have trouble with creating a removeable top. They could lower the weight of glass, but that might look . The best they could do is mount the engine on two wheels! That would lighten things up. The main weight is in the trani/engine/axles. I suppose they could make those parts out of lighter materials, like bamboo, . I just don't see a lot of room for any significant wt. reduction. Unless they shrink the engine. Time will tell, but hang on to your C6s, these current versions of the vette may go down in history as the last of the HP top dogs.
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"What's going to be more important is fuel economy, carbon footprint and green. We have already paid a lot of attention to those areas. Where we can pay more attention is pounds per horsepower."
I'd like to shove my carbon footprint up Al Gore's ***. I can't knock him though. He's the smart one in the bunch- he's made million$ off of "global warming"
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It's the 70's all over again. Horsepower will eventually drop, even if it is by the means of a smaller lighter car that can have the same performance.
Hopefully the gas crunch will end or there will be another form of power that will give us the horsepower back.
I really think GM should supply us with a strong, affordable aftermarket program that is covered under warranty. thiis way they can meet their demands and we can benefit from their testing of the products.
They could even make the car cheaper to offset the lost horsepower.
Shawn
Hopefully the gas crunch will end or there will be another form of power that will give us the horsepower back.
I really think GM should supply us with a strong, affordable aftermarket program that is covered under warranty. thiis way they can meet their demands and we can benefit from their testing of the products.
They could even make the car cheaper to offset the lost horsepower.
Shawn
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Quoted from Tom Wallace: "What's going to be more important is fuel economy, carbon footprint and green. We have already paid a lot of attention to those areas. "...
"Wallace said he envisions a Corvette that is "more fuel efficient" ...
Rather than trying to top those performance numbers, Wallace said: "I think we need to say, 'We reached performance levels that are pretty good. Let's maintain those and improve fuel economy.' "
"Wallace said he envisions a Corvette that is "more fuel efficient" ...
Rather than trying to top those performance numbers, Wallace said: "I think we need to say, 'We reached performance levels that are pretty good. Let's maintain those and improve fuel economy.' "
Yes, because as we all know, these are the reasons that people buy Corvettes. For better fuel economy, carbon footprint, and to be "green"
Good lord the decisions at GM never cease to amaze me.